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Companies That You Expect to Disappear Soon

Tetchytyke

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They could have offered to order it in, check if a store had one in stock

John Lewis outsourced their home delivery to Capita, with all the attention to detail and quality service that you've come to expect from everyone's favourite outsourcer.

Truthfully, I wouldn't buy anything from John Lewis I couldn't take out of the shop with me.

the men's clothing section is awash with dowdy beige and brown clothing, usually cut in an unflattering, utilitarian manner.

Brown is in this season.

I actually don't mind Debenhams' menswear, they're my go-to for work trousers as they're a good fit around my middle-age tummy without being ridiculously priced.

M&S, on the other hand, now seemingly have their clothes cut by David Blunkett and also seem to have now assumed that if you need a slightly larger waist it's because you're 8 foot tall, rather than just portly.

If M&S isn't for portly middle aged men, what on earth IS it for?
 
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M&S, on the other hand, now seemingly have their clothes cut by David Blunkett and also seem to have now assumed that if you need a slightly larger waist it's because you're 8 foot tall, rather than just portly.

Yep, I'm a little on the porky side. The last shirts I bought were measured for a gorilla as the arm length was nearly down to my knees. They've completely lost the plot. It's not as if I'm that short either, I'm a good 5'11".
 

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At the weekend I discovered that Go Outdoors has been taken over by JD Sports.
This came to light when the till could neither recognise my discount card nor the barcode on the item I was purchasing. Cue irritation and sarcasm from me, and "That's another business model wrecked" from Mrs Kingspanner.
 

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At the weekend I discovered that Go Outdoors has been taken over by JD Sports.
This came to light when the till could neither recognise my discount card nor the barcode on the item I was purchasing. Cue irritation and sarcasm from me, and "That's another business model wrecked" from Mrs Kingspanner.

This happened a couple of years ago now, and the project to integrate the till systems is proving disastrous and must be costing them a fortune in business.
 

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At the weekend I discovered that Go Outdoors has been taken over by JD Sports

JD are an interesting one - they have diversified a bit (owning Blacks etc), they've purchased some brands outright (and brands like Canterbury, so a bit more upmarket than the Sports Direct "house" brands), they seem to have a better relationship with A-list suppliers than Mike Ashley's shops have (so JD may be selling things not available in Sports Direct) - they seem to be doing better flogging more upmarket tracksuits (if that's not an oxymoron!) - nobody on the High Street looks 100% "safe" nowadays but JD do seem to be doing quite well attracting/offering the higher end brands (instead of a shop that resembles a jumble sale).
 

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JD are an interesting one - they have diversified a bit (owning Blacks etc), they've purchased some brands outright (and brands like Canterbury, so a bit more upmarket than the Sports Direct "house" brands), they seem to have a better relationship with A-list suppliers than Mike Ashley's shops have

It helps that JD's ultimate owner also owns or has a stake in so many premium brands, including Speedo, Berghaus, Lacoste, Ellesse, Kickers and Mitre, and previously Reebok.

JD's ultimate owner also pays his fair share of tax, so fair play to them really.
 

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Eddie Stobart in trouble

The Guardian said:
The Eddie Stobart transport business, famed for its red and green lorries, is teetering on the brink of collapse with its future due to be decided at a key shareholder vote in London on Friday.

The vote will pit William Stobart, the third son of the company’s founder, against his childhood friend and former brother-in-law, Andrew Tinkler.

If their competing bids fall through, the company could collapse under the weight of a huge debt pile months before its 50th birthday.

The Warrington-based company, which counts Amazon, Coca-Cola and Tesco among its customers, recorded a loss of at least £12m in the first half of the financial year. It is also struggling with £200m worth of debt. However, accounting problems revealed in August mean the financial situation could be much worse.

Private equity, accounting problems and unwise diversification. It's like a greatest hits.
 

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John Lewis outsourced their home delivery to Capita, with all the attention to detail and quality service that you've come to expect from everyone's favourite outsourcer.
Funny that you mention outsourcing, as supermarket cafes were mentioned a couple of pages back... now I don't know about Morrison's but Asda and Sainsbury's in-store cafes are both operated by the same outsourcing organisation (whose name escapes me). Asda in particular has outsourced huge areas of their non-core business, including but not limited to the switchboard operation of their own head office in Leeds!
 

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Funny that you mention outsourcing, as supermarket cafes were mentioned a couple of pages back... now I don't know about Morrison's but Asda and Sainsbury's in-store cafes are both operated by the same outsourcing organisation (whose name escapes me). Asda in particular has outsourced huge areas of their non-core business, including but not limited to the switchboard operation of their own head office in Leeds!
A neighbour's son has just got a job in a Morrison's cafe, and afaik he's employed directly.
 

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Eddie Stobart has been saved, for now at least.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50684851
Eddie Stobart shareholders have approved a rescue plan for the truck company, staving off possible collapse.

One of the firm's largest shareholders, DBay Advisors, will lend it £55m through high-interest bonds and assume control of the haulier.

Shareholders voted "overwhelmingly" for the deal, the company said.

It means the company will avoid breaking its banking agreements and will not face administration.

Under the plan, in return for the £55m loan DBay will increase its stake in Eddie Stobart Logistics to 51%, but will charge the company an interest rate of 18% for the loan.

This will hand DBay control of the haulier as well as a stronger claim to any money it makes, as debts are paid before shareholders see any payments.

The loan is a so-called payment-in-kind (PIK) loan, an unusual type of borrowing which last came to public prominence during the controversial takeover of Manchester United by the Glazer family.

'Lack of information'
They were also partly blamed for the 2012 collapse of retailer Peacocks.

The Unite union said it wanted early talks about the company's future. "The recent financial problems experienced by Stobart's has led to our members at the company becoming very anxious about their employment. A situation made worse by the lack of information provided," said Unite's national officer for road transport Adrian Jones.

"Unite hopes that early discussions will pave the way for an improved industrial relations climate with Stobart's," he said.

Eddie Stobart chief executive Sebastien Desreumaux said: "The proposed transaction provides Eddie Stobart with the opportunity to move forward and look to deliver sustainable growth and profitability from a stable footing.

"Our main priority and focus is now continuing to deliver the high levels of services expected by our customers as we move into the busy Christmas period."

Shareholders passed quickly through revolving doors to this morning's vote, grim-faced and loathe to talk.

Any outcome was going to be difficult. Reports that administrators were waiting in the wings loomed large over proceedings.

The high-interest loan offered by DBay and shareholders seeing their ownership diluted are not easy pills to swallow.

But there's relief, at least in the short-term, for the 6,500 Eddie Stobart staff and many more workers in their supply chain in the run up to Christmas.

As a former owner, DBay says it is "confident that Eddie Stobart will return to its previous strength".

It has a strong brand, contracts with top firms and the logistics and warehousing business is booming, not least because of Brexit-stockpiling.

Share suspension
Late last month, rival haulier Wincanton decided not to bid after reviewing Eddie Stobart's finances.

A firm backed by former boss Andrew Tinkler also made an offer involving a sale of new shares to cut the company's debts.

However, Eddie Stobart said only DBay's proposal had the support of the firm's banks.

Eddie Stobart said last month it expected to report a loss of at least £12m for the first half of the year.

Trading in the company's shares has been suspended since August when it announced that its then chief executive, Alex Laffey, would stand down.

The transport company - famed for its distinctive green and red lorries - had revealed a £2m error in its 2018 results.

The company was founded by Eddie Stobart in 1970 before its expansion was driven by his second son, Edward.
 

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Regarding Stobart. Two things that were shown on a tv documentary some years ago that involved one of the Stobarts, as I remember, a rather cocksure portly man. He had just bought a brand new Range Rover and the manufacturers' colour choices did not meet with his approval. Accordingly, he paid out thousands to have the vehicle resprayed in his choice of blue. My instant response: T***sr.
Later in, I think, the same programme, he reported that he did not like the ding or dong or whatever noise his new vehicle was making. "I couldn't stand the noise so I paid my(!) mechanic five hundred quid to shut it up". Just wish I could be paid £500 to remove a fuse or cut a wire. My further response: Total t***er.
At the time, when they were all over the TV, and I was thinking , this will all end in tears.
Finally, I've just remembered, something about the wine glasses which was OCD.Somebody will remember.
 

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Morrisons are the only supermarket with their own manufacturing facility - Farmers Boy.
 

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Funny that you mention outsourcing, as supermarket cafes were mentioned a couple of pages back... now I don't know about Morrison's but Asda and Sainsbury's in-store cafes are both operated by the same outsourcing organisation (whose name escapes me). Asda in particular has outsourced huge areas of their non-core business, including but not limited to the switchboard operation of their own head office in Leeds!

Tesco and asda both use Compass. Who also supply many schools. Sainsbury’s was in house when I worked there. Left a couple years back though
 

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Tesco and asda both use Compass. Who also supply many schools. Sainsbury’s was in house when I worked there. Left a couple years back though

Compass are a big catering company that also do many sports events.
 

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Morrison’s cafe is miles ahead of rivals in my opinion for quality

Fully agree. I've never found the Tesco/Asda ones to be any good - usually half the menu unavailable and surly unhelpful staff. Morrisons is completely different - barely ever run out of anything and staff are usually very pleasant - much nicer food too - usually cooked to order rather than served from "keep hot" counters. When I'm on the road, I try to seek out handy Morrisons - incredibly cheap too!
 

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Regarding Stobart. Two things that were shown on a tv documentary some years ago that involved one of the Stobarts, as I remember, a rather cocksure portly man. He had just bought a brand new Range Rover and the manufacturers' colour choices did not meet with his approval. Accordingly, he paid out thousands to have the vehicle resprayed in his choice of blue. My instant response: T***sr.
Later in, I think, the same programme, he reported that he did not like the ding or dong or whatever noise his new vehicle was making. "I couldn't stand the noise so I paid my(!) mechanic five hundred quid to shut it up". Just wish I could be paid £500 to remove a fuse or cut a wire. My further response: Total t***er.
At the time, when they were all over the TV, and I was thinking , this will all end in tears.
Finally, I've just remembered, something about the wine glasses which was OCD.Somebody will remember.
Why is he a tosser for wanting something to be how he likes it? Sounds like rather nasty envy just because the chap can afford to do it (though the amounts are pretty trivial)
 

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18% PIK loans! For now, indeed.

18% PIK loans from the private equity group that saddled it with the debt mountain before cashing themselves out a £150m profit.

Needless to say Neil Woodford's got a finger in the pie too, another poster boy for the joys of deregulation.

You've got to love free market capitalism.
 

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18% PIK loans from the private equity group that saddled it with the debt mountain before cashing themselves out a £150m profit.
Needless to say Neil Woodford's got a finger in the pie too, another poster boy for the joys of deregulation.
You've got to love free market capitalism.

it’s a free market so if anyone thought 18% was too high for the risk involved they would lend them the money. The alternative is going pop.
 

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