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Will TfW meet the 1/1/2020 PRM deadline?

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Cambrian359 said:
Them seats look close together! Is that normal for a 153? (Never been on one)
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Definitely as close together as they've been on all ex-Wales & West units since their new millennium refits. With the accessible toilet this unit has 59 seats; I believe it had 65-70 seats without it (65 sounds right)
 
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anamyd said:
Definitely close together as they've been on all ex-Wales & West units since their new millennium refits. With the accessible toilet this unit has 59 seats; I believe it had 65-70 seats without it (65 sounds right)
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Most 153s I've been on have 72 seats plus 3 tip ups (Northern, GWR, EMT etc) but I can't remember if the TfW ones are the same
 
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Is this 153 actually PRM compliant? Can you get a wheelchair down the central aisle to the accessible toilet at the other end from the wheelchair space?
 
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Is this 153 actually PRM compliant? Can you get a wheelchair down the central aisle to the accessible toilet at the other end from the wheelchair space?
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The toilet has moved to the big cab end of the set, so wheelchair space is right next to the loo. Looks like the old toilet has been taken out for more bike/buggy storage. But could be wrong. I'm only going from the video.
 
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Are TfW realistically going to get all 18 of their 153s fully PRM compliant before Christmas though? (Inc the 5 now coming from GA) as well as however many 150/2s they have left to do?
 
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Cardiff123 said:
Are TfW realistically going to get all 18 of their 153s fully PRM compliant before Christmas though? (Inc the 5 now coming from GA) as well as however many 150/2s they have left to do?
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TFW will probably apply for derogation. The 153s timescales won't be affected by the 150 programme as they are being modded in different places, 153s at Long Marston and 150s at Crewe
 
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6Gtraincrew said:
The toilet has moved to the big cab end of the set, so wheelchair space is right next to the loo. Looks like the old toilet has been taken out for more bike/buggy storage. But could be wrong. I'm only going from the video.
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Apologies I missed the quick shot of the toilet. I wonder where the tank is?
 
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OrangeJuice said:
Most 153s I've been on have 72 seats plus 3 tip ups (Northern, GWR, EMT etc) but I can't remember if the TfW ones are the same
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This (325) is one of the ex-South Devon advertising wrapped GWR units; it and 333 can be seen in my video from April, and in that they're the two tatty ex-London Midland green ones at the front of the delivery train (with blue and pink units 329/361/369 on the back). The next one to come back from works at Long Marston, 323, is an ex-ATW unit however. I did think after I posted that it was more like 70 seats previously
 
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Cardiff123 said:
Are TfW realistically going to get all 18 of their 153s fully PRM compliant before Christmas though? (Inc the 5 now coming from GA) as well as however many 150/2s they have left to do?
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21 150/2s remain non-compliant, 11 (or 16 with the ex-GAs) 153s remain non-compliant, and 4 158s remain non-compliant but I reckon the 158s will all be done by the end of the year. As for the 32 (37 with the ex-GA 153s) non-compliant 150/153s, most of those will surely still be non-compliant at the end of the year and will require dispensations, not just the Pacers and Mk2s/Mk3s.
 
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A 153 has gone on a gauging run to Blaenau Ffestiniog this afternoon. It is about 14 years since one last ran up there
 
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Having now seen really good photos of inside 153325, I can confirm that there has been a UAT fitted in the big cab end. The old bog has been completely removed and there are a couple of pull down seats between the emergancy cupboard and the passenger door.

Difference is amazing TBF. Done a really good job. Just a shame the unit is so small.

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6Gtraincrew said:
Having now seen really good photos of inside 153325, I can confirm that there has been a UAT fitted in the big cab end. The old bog has been completely removed and there are a couple of pull down seats between the emergancy cupboard and the passenger door.

Difference is amazing TBF. Done a really good job. Just a shame the unit is so small.

(Shared internally, so don't ask)
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Thank you for the analysis regardless, and I'm sure it will roll past a platform-end photographer soon enough for the rest of us.
 
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6Gtraincrew said:
Having now seen really good photos of inside 153325, I can confirm that there has been a UAT fitted in the big cab end. The old bog has been completely removed and there are a couple of pull down seats between the emergancy cupboard and the passenger door.

Difference is amazing TBF. Done a really good job. Just a shame the unit is so small.

(Shared internally, so don't ask)
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Interesting. Can't have done that to bin them off by the end of the year. Perhaps they do have a future reformed into 2 car sets then?
 
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6Gtraincrew said:
Having now seen really good photos of inside 153325, I can confirm that there has been a UAT fitted in the big cab end. The old bog has been completely removed and there are a couple of pull down seats between the emergancy cupboard and the passenger door.

Difference is amazing TBF. Done a really good job. Just a shame the unit is so small.

(Shared internally, so don't ask)
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Once again I'm jealous :p Does the floor have the same carpet as the refurbed 175s...? It was too low down for me to see when I looked through the windows in my video. Also, exterior wise someone asked where the toilet retention tank is - do you know...? :lol:
 
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Interesting. Can't have done that to bin them off by the end of the year. Perhaps they do have a future reformed into 2 car sets then?
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Who said the 153s were coming off in 2020...? As far as classes used by ATW until the end of that franchise, it has long been the plan for them to continue with TfW to 2022-23 alongside the 150s, 158s and 175s! Any 2-car or 4-car formations with 153 vehicles will be normal multi working of 2 or 4 153 units respectively - no 155 recreation will happen with the doubled up cabs, toilets, lights/systems etc on 153s.
 
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