Yeah I’m the same. I don’t know a thing about things like bus types/parts etc but I know a bit more about services so that’s what I post about. I tend to read threads more than I contribute to them.
What model is this bus?I’ve already seen a quote from the company somewhere (Evening News I think) confirming that all future brand new buses from next year will have 2 wheelchair spaces and at least 1 additional buggy space on top of that.
100%. It's much bigger at the gyle than is at North Bughtlin Neuk and 31 manages at the Neuk without issue.
R-Type Leyland Atlantean AN68 (I think it's AN68 1R). Alexander body though. Hopefully someone with more knowoldge will correct me if I am wrong on this one. Nice bus though.
Thanks.
If a B9TL can do it, the B8L can too. Turning circle is about the same shockingly, some say its slightly tighter. I assume this is why they never even went with rear steer tag.
Providing a service for passengers isn't pandering. If you're getting on a bus for 20 minutes then getting a child out of the buggy, folding it and staggering onto the bus holding the buggy, child and a changing bag isn't the most practical thing to do even if the buggy does fold. Why on earth would you want people to have to spend 5 years of their life having to do that?
Sorry I think you misunderstood my non clear post (my bad lol). I did not say we shoudl go back to those days but that people have short memories and have forgotten what it was like back then. Of course, it's good we offer spaces for buggys but so many were complaining there should be 2, 3 and even 4 spaces on the B8Ls, ie more than wheelchair spaces. In my opinion, more wheelchair priority spaces would be better than buggy, and can be used together but wheelchair gets priority and this is when I say they can fold the buggy, a wheelchair can't. Again though, with tipups in those places so everyone can use the space. Just my opinion though but wheelchair before buggy for me.
Oh, wheelchair before buggy no question. Given the number of people who actively seem to prefer standing I don't think there's a massive issue getting rid of few seats and providing a decent amount of space for both though. Two wheelchair spaces sounds fairly decent.
It's an Alexander AL body. The AL/Atlantean AN68 was the standard bus from 1972 until this batch was delivered in 1981 (and had been preceded by earlier versions of Alexander Atlanteans since the first in 1966 - in total ECT and Lothian took almost 600 over 15 years). Lothian moved on to ECW-bodied Leyland Olympians after this.
out of all those the only one that could work is moving 2 of the Lothian Road - Piccardy place buses via your said route but it would be best to keep 124/X5 along princess street for better connections
When Princes St is closed for events such as new years, 3, 33, etc are diverted via surgeons hall, Lauriston Place and Lothian Road anyway and it works. However you don't want to divert a large proportion from city centre. It's about getting the right balance. Charlotte Square and St Andrew Square should be utalised more, but Princes St should be made for LOCAL buses only, ie coaches that are going to the bus station anyway, via Queen Street. If you have a mirror service for example 3, 25 and 33, then you could in theory divert one of them away from town so if folk want to go to town, they can swap at many stops on the route before it turns off.
I expanded on what I was meaning. not suggesting we go back to the 90s but I think the demands of those wanting 3 or even 4 spaces, seem to forget or just never know as you said but I am sure their parents must have told them off the tales. Still, I think 2 or 3 WC spaces mixed use woudl be better, than dedicated buggy. So if 3 WC users want to get on, they can although very unlikely and likewise, if 1 WC 2 buggy, they can, but if 3 buggy, then one has to fold up to allow the WC on.
As some folk have pointed out, these changes might be rather unpopular with passengers. But it's interesting to note that walking from the present terminal points to these proposed locations is nearly always quicker than sitting on the bus (apart from the 113, obviously).
Is there a fleet number 252?
Yeah, BF60 UUE
That isn't true for most of the day for me, and I'm a fairly fast walker. Also noteworthy in a month like this one has been, that it can be nicer to sit on a bus than walk through the pouring rain.
I think you start by dealing with some of the more obvious pinch-points, like banning taxis and normal traffic from the bits where it runs, and moving the long-distance buses off the road. You probably also ban the normal traffic from the mound, which means you've got less painful crossing moves. Certainly that doesn't buy you any expansion of the service, but the important thing is to not be looking at significantly reducing it.
