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Abellio now has this on its web site:
https://www.abellio.com/news/ps600-million-improvements-east-midlands-railway-abellio-confirmed
I don't know if it adds anything to what we knew before.
Abellio will invest £600 million including: brand new bi-mode intercity trains between the East Midlands, the North and London; a high-quality, dedicated, electric train service between London, Luton Airport and Corby; and the introduction of faster, modern, refurbished trains across the whole network. This investment will also see transformed stations, improved ticketing and accessibility, enhanced training and benefits for employees, including 30 new apprenticeships each year for young people. There will be closer working with Network Rail to maximise the benefits of the ongoing £1.5 billion Midland Main Line upgrade.
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Fleet renewal: all trains on EMR to be replaced with new bi-mode trains on intercity routes and high-quality refurbished trains on regional/local services between 2020 and December 2022;
 More capacity: longer trains and more services on many routes providing 80% increase in capacity into Nottingham, Lincoln and St Pancras;
 Connectivity: new timetables with more frequencies;
 Ticketing and retailing: improved ‘Delay-Repay 15’ compensation scheme; Smart (Account Based) Ticketing; and a new ‘Flexipass’ part-time season ticket;
 Station improvements: at least £17million on station improvements with larger schemes at Leicester, London St Pancras, Market Harborough and Sheffield – plus 916 new car parking spaces and 1,050 additional cycle parking spaces.
 Wi-Fi: free high quality connectivity on all trains by 2021;
 Skills and training: creation of over 30 apprenticeships per annum for young people, and significant investment in staff training and development;
 Community Rail: doubling funding for Community Rail Partnerships and creating up to four new CRPs and extending station adoption.

They also have a statement on their compliance with the DfT pension requirements.
https://www.abellio.com/news/abellio-statement-east-midlands-franchise-award
 
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Abellio now has this on its web site:
https://www.abellio.com/news/ps600-million-improvements-east-midlands-railway-abellio-confirmed
I don't know if it adds anything to what we knew before.


They also have a statement on their compliance with the DfT pension requirements.
https://www.abellio.com/news/abellio-statement-east-midlands-franchise-award
It certainly confirms that the "all-new" trains on EMT Regional will be refurbished old ones. Interesting that they state "replaced" - that implies that, for example, the 158s will not be kept for the Nottingham-Norwich route!
 

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It certainly confirms that the "all-new" trains on EMT Regional will be refurbished old ones. Interesting that they state "replaced" - that implies that, for example, the 158s will not be kept for the Nottingham-Norwich route!

Was hoping they would reveal the branding for the new franchise, if not now when would we find that out about EMR?
It would be interesting to see if abellio have gone a similar approach with EMR as they have with the franchises they have already?
 

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Was hoping they would reveal the branding for the new franchise, if not now when would we find that out about EMR?
It would be interesting to see if abellio have gone a similar approach with EMR as they have with the franchises they have already?

The designer who came up with the slightly lackadaisical LNR branding has come up with an absolutely stunning brand for EMR - he has said it was unofficial - but hopefully they are watching. A bit reminiscent of a cross between the old MML branding and Nightstar.

Mind you there were plenty of classic mock-ups done for SWR, particularly involving the gWr style done using sWr and a different colour, then look at the nasty mess they actually came up with.
 

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Stagecoach is taking legal action apparently which will be interesting.

Given that Abellio won the franchise by default I kind of wonder what Stagecoach's bid was.
 

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Been as its all signed off now, when will more details be released?
 

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The designer who came up with the slightly lackadaisical LNR branding has come up with an absolutely stunning brand for EMR - he has said it was unofficial - but hopefully they are watching. A bit reminiscent of a cross between the old MML branding and Nightstar.
Reproduced here.

From Twitter: @samjessupdesign

THIS IS UNOFFICIAL
 

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The designer who came up with the slightly lackadaisical LNR branding has come up with an absolutely stunning brand for EMR - he has said it was unofficial - but hopefully they are watching. A bit reminiscent of a cross between the old MML branding and Nightstar.

Mind you there were plenty of classic mock-ups done for SWR, particularly involving the gWr style done using sWr and a different colour, then look at the nasty mess they actually came up with.

Are you meaning the 'E3' design? If so then stunning is definitely a overstatement :lol:
 

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Another reminder that rolling stock discussion is in the thread linked here. Please don't discuss rolling stock or potential rolling stock in this thread.
 

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The bottom line in all of this is that we do not know the scoring system used by the DfT, and if they told bidders that compliance with certain requirements was mandatory.

If the DfT had made compliance with certain requirements mandatory in the ITT, any bidder submitting proposals which did not meet these mandatory requirements was knowingly submitting a non-complaint bid, and should have done so in the knowledge that their offer was likely to be rejected. However, there are no reasons as to why non-compliances can't be submitted for other elements of the ITT, and those undertaking the tender evaluation will mark-down such non-compliances accordingly; this is typical in any tendering/evaluation process.

It should be noted that public procurement rules prevent post tender negotiation; clarification of bids is permitted - and very often happens - but whereas in most of the private sector it is permitted for buyers and sellers to discuss and vary bids after their submission, the DfT could not have contacted Stagecoach after tender submission and given them the opportunity to revise their bid and make it compliant with any mandatory requirements of the ITT.

It will be interesting to see how this goes forward. The standstill period was voluntary, and therefore the DfT could have awarded the franchise to Abellio when the announcement of them being selected as preferred bidder was made back in April; moreover, the Stagecoach press release doesn't specifically state that the company is asking the High Court to prevent the DfT from awarding the contract to Abellio.

A question of all "legal eagles" looking in; is it significant that the action regarding the award of the contract to Abellio is being made by East Midlands Trains Ltd and not Stagecoach Group plc? Would it not have been the parent - Stagecoach Group plc - who was invited to bid for the three franchises?
The scoring system used by DfT is in the ITT: https://assets.publishing.service.g...t-midlands-franchise-invitation-to-tender.pdf

Essentially it is a price modified by a quality score multiplied by a DfT-decided constant, which is meant to produce the best value for money. All bidders know what this is and can make their own decisions about what to include in their bid, e.g. is it worth going for an all-new fleet, or should they refurbish existing?

The ITT also issues instructions. These days on of those instructions is that bidders should not seek to pass risk to the department. This is where Stagecoach were clearly non-compliant. As previously pointed out, these bids are so complex that there are often many minor non-compliances, which the DfT will seek to iron out in contract negotiation. For instance, all bids have to include a financial model, supporting models and a record of assumptions. Producing this is a herculean task and, in the timescales, it also almost impossible to produce a full suite that meets all the DfT requirements (which are generally designed to smooth any future franchise changes). Equally bidders have to submit new timetables. Normally TOCs have 18 months to devise their timetable (and can still muck it up as last May showed); Bidders have 3 months. Also NR validates those TTs, but unlike with a TOC, where it is an iterative process with NR and TOC looking to make it work in tandem, on bids NR just has its say and so if it says "this can't be done" then the TT is non-compliant.

DfT has discretion over non-compliances; this is also written in the ITT. It tends to overlook minor non-compliances. Refusing to take risk on pension is not minor (even though I feel it is unfair). Sometimes though, I feel that DfT uses the excuse of non-compliance to rule out a bid that they think is sub-standard for other reasons, like the price is just too low - probably because they feel that this is easier to defend legally (we shall find out whether this is true, I guess). Believe me, since the WCML fiasco, DfT has been very concerned about legal challenges and I feel it is one reason why competitions run over time - almost certainly why the current competitions have, given the decisions made re Stagecoach and Arriva.

I see that Stagecoach have quoted the pension risk at £1bn; I feel that is misleading. Shortfalls do not have to be cleared at once (and are very unlikely to be that high in any case), but over many years and staff will probably have to increase their contributions, so will pay some of it. On top of that, you are allowed to price in the risk - so if you think it is going to cost £50m a year then you simply add that to your costs. Basically Stagecoach have baulked because they didn't like to make a decision where, on the one hand they might bid it high and then lose on price, or the other, bid it low and then take a hit during the franchise. My guess is that Stagecoach was expecting unanimity from bidders on this, but some bidders have proven willing to take on the risk.
 

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Another reminder that rolling stock discussion is in the thread linked here. Please don't discuss rolling stock or potential rolling stock in this thread.

You should probably change the title of the thread then to ‘east midlands franchise award fallout’ if all we can talk about is the progress of stagecoach court case against the government which will go nowhere while abellio will progress with the franchise. The owner of the EM franchise wont be affected by the court case
 
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You should probably change the title of the thread to east midlands franchise award fallout if all we can talk about is the progress of stagecoach court case against the government which will go nowhere while abellio will progress with the franchise. The owner of the EM franchise wont be affected by the court case

Agreed, I think its a bit hard to ban talking about trains on a train forum! I agree for explicitly rolling stock related posts, however the two are very much intertwined
 

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Fantastic news now Abellio can proceed with more dirty late/cancelled trains and promises of mystical new trains that seem to take forever to turn up.

Still at least we can have Wi-Fi that doesn't work, smart ticketing that doesn't work and e-tickets or whatever other drivel they promise that wont work. Exciting times!

Most people just want a train to turn up on time and be reasonably clean. Cant wait for more Abellio incompetence to begin. Its a disgrace these jokers are allowed any more franchises.

They now have a monopoly of sheer incompetence over the whole of the midlands local rail network.
 

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Fantastic news now Abellio can proceed with more dirty late/cancelled trains and promises of mystical new trains that seem to take forever to turn up.

Still at least we can have Wi-Fi that doesn't work, smart ticketing that doesn't work and e-tickets or whatever other drivel they promise that wont work. Exciting times!

Most people just want a train to turn up on time and be reasonably clean. Cant wait for more Abellio incompetence to begin. Its a disgrace these jokers are allowed any more franchises.

They now have a monopoly of sheer incompetence over the whole of the midlands local rail network.

I look forward to it!

As long as the current staff stay on, there shouldn't be too much of a difference should there?
 

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I look forward to it!

As long as the current staff stay on, there shouldn't be too much of a difference should there?

Depends if they wind them up by destaffing things or attempting to introduce DOO or DCO :lol:

To be fair though no, frontline staff don't change generally. Focus may change though - EMT is very customer service focussed with things like revenue collection, Abellio could choose to be more hard line.
 

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I look forward to it!

As long as the current staff stay on, there shouldn't be too much of a difference should there?

Yes. It is in the management teams which will likely be got rid off en-masse for cost synergies. My experience of Abellio is pretty awful. They seem to make a lot of promises but haven't really ever delivered on any of them on any of the Franchises they hold.

We shall see...

Any operator with a significant management structure already will not keep the current structure as it is inefficient. Abellio already have significant presence in the midlands with West Mids Trains and London NorthWestern.
 

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The scoring system used by DfT is in the ITT: https://assets.publishing.service.g...t-midlands-franchise-invitation-to-tender.pdf

I see that Stagecoach have quoted the pension risk at £1bn; I feel that is misleading. Shortfalls do not have to be cleared at once (and are very unlikely to be that high in any case), but over many years and staff will probably have to increase their contributions, so will pay some of it. On top of that, you are allowed to price in the risk - so if you think it is going to cost £50m a year then you simply add that to your costs. Basically Stagecoach have baulked because they didn't like to make a decision where, on the one hand they might bid it high and then lose on price, or the other, bid it low and then take a hit during the franchise. My guess is that Stagecoach was expecting unanimity from bidders on this, but some bidders have proven willing to take on the risk.

Exactly - there was an article in InternationalRailwayJournal summarising how DfT proposed pension risk should be allocated, and it was balanced with only some risks transferred, and only on some very unlikely assumptions would you get to the £1bn figure. Whole point of franchise model is that significant risk/reward is shifted to franchisee. Whether that is sustainable is debatable, per submissions to Williams review. If DfT wants franchises then bidders must be prepared for significant risk. And it is the nature of commercial risk that some things are not forseeable / difficult to take into account. No one ever imagined that an Icelandic volcano would shut down aviation in Europe for days at a time but it did. Gatwick express suffered as a result, long distance TOCs benefited - that is just what happens sometime. If the risk/reward profile doesnt work for Stagecoach well they do need to own that and act accordingly just at National Express did a few years ago.
 

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You should probably change the title of the thread to east midlands franchise award fallout if all we can talk about is the progress of stagecoach court case against the government which will go nowhere while abellio will progress with the franchise. The owner of the EM franchise wont be affected by the court case
It will probably end up (unless DfT fold first) going to a full hearing with Stagecoach going for a refund of their bidding costs and some measure of compensation for loss of future profits and reputational damage.
 

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Depends if they wind them up by destaffing things or attempting to introduce DOO or DCO :lol:

To be fair though no, frontline staff don't change generally. Focus may change though - EMT is very customer service focussed with things like revenue collection, Abellio could choose to be more hard line.
I hope they will be more hardline. The current policy of purposely choosing not to collect fares at some major gatelines is not really acceptable and what is the point of employing RPIs who happily issue railcard discounted off-peak tickets to customers that have somehow got through the gate line without paying.
 

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I hope they will be more hardline. The current policy of purposely choosing not to collect fares at some major gatelines is not really acceptable and what is the point of employing RPIs who happily issue railcard discounted off-peak tickets to customers that have somehow got through the gate line without paying.

From travelling on an abellio operated service day to day they seem to have a hardline policy when it comes to ticket checks and railcards discounts when on trains. I presume their policy is the same at stations and will be on the EMR franchise
 

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Exactly - there was an article in InternationalRailwayJournal summarising how DfT proposed pension risk should be allocated, and it was balanced with only some risks transferred, and only on some very unlikely assumptions would you get to the £1bn figure. Whole point of franchise model is that significant risk/reward is shifted to franchisee. Whether that is sustainable is debatable, per submissions to Williams review. If DfT wants franchises then bidders must be prepared for significant risk. And it is the nature of commercial risk that some things are not forseeable / difficult to take into account. No one ever imagined that an Icelandic volcano would shut down aviation in Europe for days at a time but it did. Gatwick express suffered as a result, long distance TOCs benefited - that is just what happens sometime. If the risk/reward profile doesnt work for Stagecoach well they do need to own that and act accordingly just at National Express did a few years ago.
The trick is to place the risk with the party that is most able to control it. So for example the TOC is best able to control rolling stock maintenance so should suffer the consequences if the trains are unreliable (they may have some recourse to the ROSCO or manufacturer).

If a private sector organisation is asked to take on a risk it can't control then the likeihood is that they will estimate the worst case financial consequence of that risk and add that amount to the price being charged for the service. They may attempt to insure the risk and add the premium onto the price, which could result in a lower cost because the premium will be the insurer's view of the probablised value (plus the insurer's profit of course) rather than the worst case value. But it is inevitable that there will be a significant cost in attempting to transfer risks to someone who cannot control them - if you find a company willing to accept risk at no cost then that company probably won't be in business much longer. Companies also have limited liability so if a risk payout drives them out of business the government will end up paying anyway, as well as having to re-let the service and keep it going meanwhile.

In general, taken over the long term, it is better value for the public sector to retain risks that a private party has no control over. The public sector can't go bankrupt and has massive contingency funds and the power to raise taxes if necessary, so can essentially meet any liability if it has to. When risks actually arise from time to time then payouts will have to be made, but on average these will only be the proablised value without any insurer's profit so will be less than the total amount the private sector would want to manage the same basket of risks.

What may be at play here is the DfT foreseeing the political fallout if a particular risk arises and it has to cut other things or even go to the Treasury for more cash.
 

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Looks like the standstill period has ended as Abellio is confirmed as new operator for the East Midlands Franchise from August 2019.

Abellio has now been officially confirmed as the new operator of the East Midlands rail franchise by the Department for Transport. This concludes the ‘standstill’ period that followed the Department for Transport’s announcement on 10th April naming Abellio as Winning Bidder for the contract.

Abellio will invest £600 million including: brand new bi-mode intercity trains between the East Midlands, the North and London; a high-quality, dedicated, electric train service between London, Luton Airport and Corby; and the introduction of faster, modern, refurbished trains across the whole network.

This investment will also see transformed stations, improved ticketing and accessibility, enhanced training and benefits for employees, including 30 new apprenticeships each year for young people. There will be closer working with Network Rail to maximise the benefits of the ongoing £1.5 billion Midland Main Line upgrade.

Dominic Booth, Managing Director of Abellio UK, said: “Abellio is pleased and proud to have been confirmed as Franchisee for the East Midlands Railway.

We’re looking forward to working with the East Midlands Trains management and frontline team who have laid such excellent foundations for us to build on to deliver the vision developed with local people and stakeholders.

“With all trains replaced and much higher capacity, our new franchise will renew the railway and support communities large and small across the East Midlands and beyond.“
 

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Apparently Chris Grayling is facing questions about the East Midlands franchise and the bidding process.

While there are some issues with the way the franchise has been awarded I don't think there will be a cancellation of the award like there was in 2012 when the DfT got their sums wrong with the West Coast franchise being awarded to First Group.
 

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With the Corby EMU services will they call at both Luton Airport Parkway AND Luton?

Or will they plan to drop the Luton call in favor of more stops at Parkway?
 

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From travelling on an abellio operated service day to day they seem to have a hardline policy when it comes to ticket checks and railcards discounts when on trains. I presume their policy is the same at stations and will be on the EMR franchise
WMT militates against it. I probably see guards on one in four WCML services, never on the Cross City Line!
 

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Apparently Chris Grayling is facing questions about the East Midlands franchise and the bidding process.

While there are some issues with the way the franchise has been awarded I don't think there will be a cancellation of the award like there was in 2012 when the DfT got their sums wrong with the West Coast franchise being awarded to First Group.
I agree, but we cannot know for certain. DfT's ability to score spectacular own goals should never be questioned.
 

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WMT militates against it. I probably see guards on one in four WCML services, never on the Cross City Line!

WMT is a little different to LNR which like EMR franchise is fully controlled by abellio.

Abellio should bring in a hardline policy with the franchise shouldn’t they? It would surprise me not to, considering the positive effect abellio have already had on reducing the amount of fair avoiders on LNR.

Does the EMR franchise mention anything about policy like this for abellio to adapt or add to EMR?
 
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