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EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

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radamfi

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Dutch news is reporting about possible medicine shortages in the Netherlands in the event of a "no deal".

https://nos.nl/artikel/2264428-bruins-risico-s-voor-levering-medicijnen-bij-no-deal-brexit.html

Minister Bruins waarschuwt de gezondheidszorg in Nederland voor de mogelijke gevolgen van een no-deal-brexit. Als er 29 maart geen akkoord tussen de Europese Unie en het Verenigde Koninkrijk is over de brexit, bestaat volgens Bruins bijvoorbeeld een reëel risico dat geneesmiddelen en hulpmiddelen bij de grens komen vast komen te staan.

Dat kan gebeuren als instellingen producten uit het Verenigd Koninkrijk willen invoeren die niet op de juiste manier volgens de EU-regels zijn geregistreerd.
 
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I'm with Mariah Carey this Xmas, "All I want for Xmas is EU"!
 

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Yeah, emigrate to Trumpland and solve the population problem. You can eat all the chlorinated chicken you like!
 

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Yeah, emigrate to Trumpland and solve the population problem. You can eat all the chlorinated chicken you like!
Yes, I can take some good old UK drinking water with me to wash it down. No chlorine in that......is there?
 

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Brexit Logic at work here; they want us to clear off to the EU yet take away our freedom of movement to do so.
 

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Yeah, emigrate to Trumpland and solve the population problem. You can eat all the chlorinated chicken you like!
Yes, I can take some good old UK drinking water with me to wash it down. No chlorine in that......is there?

From doing some Googling, it seems the issue with US chlorine-washed chicken isn't the chlorine itself. It's that the EU has rules requiring good hygiene practices at all stages of producing the chicken. The US doesn't require good hygiene practices through most of the process, but instead washes the chickens in chlorine right at the end, before its sold. The EU believes this is much less effective as a means of maintaining hygiene and safety, hence the restrictions on importing US chicken. That's not an issue with water, which is why chlorinated tap water is standard in the UK. (Though I see there is some disagreement online about whether we should be filtering the chlorine out before we drink the water).
 

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From doing some Googling, it seems the issue with US chlorine-washed chicken isn't the chlorine itself. It's that the EU has rules requiring good hygiene practices at all stages of producing the chicken. The US doesn't require good hygiene practices through most of the process, but instead washes the chickens in chlorine right at the end, before its sold. The EU believes this is much less effective as a means of maintaining hygiene and safety, hence the restrictions on importing US chicken. That's not an issue with water, which is why chlorinated tap water is standard in the UK. (Though I see there is some disagreement online about whether we should be filtering the chlorine out before we drink the water).
of course the country of origin will be clearly marked on the packaging so people who dont want chlorinated chicken can buy another product.
 

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of course the country of origin will be clearly marked on the packaging so people who dont want chlorinated chicken can buy another product.
Until the predatory pricing by large US exporters closes down most of the UK suppliers.
 

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Until the predatory pricing by large US exporters closes down most of the UK suppliers.
well i get free range from my butcher because i want it to taste of chicken. if you pay £5 for 2 chickens from tesco you will get no taste and quite a lot of water. a good butcher will tell you what farm it came from and how it was kept.
 

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From doing some Googling, it seems the issue with US chlorine-washed chicken isn't the chlorine itself. It's that the EU has rules requiring good hygiene practices at all stages of producing the chicken. The US doesn't require good hygiene practices through most of the process, but instead washes the chickens in chlorine right at the end, before its sold. The EU believes this is much less effective as a means of maintaining hygiene and safety, hence the restrictions on importing US chicken. That's not an issue with water, which is why chlorinated tap water is standard in the UK. (Though I see there is some disagreement online about whether we should be filtering the chlorine out before we drink the water).
Sadly, EU standards just aren't working with contamination rates between 25% and 72% depending on which bacterium you are looking for.

The only answer is thorough cooking whether it is EU, US, Brazilian or Thai chicken that is purchased.

As Ken H says, fresh from a know local butcher is the best choice for taste etc., but even then it will still have the bacterium problem.
 

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well i get free range from my butcher because i want it to taste of chicken. if you pay £5 for 2 chickens from tesco you will get no taste and quite a lot of water. a good butcher will tell you what farm it came from and how it was kept.
My concern was for jobs of real people rather than my own persoanl convenience, bersides which I rarely go anywhere else than Waitrose for most meat, but when eating out, there is little choice even if the restaurant gave an honest answer. The real issue is a culture of low standards which require the taste/quality-damaging processes like chlorine rinse to prevent mass outbreaks of food poisoning. Add that to the extensive use of GM foods and the whole food quality thing is a race to the bottom to maximise profits.
 
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What I cannot understand though is that Remainers say " the people were not educate enough to vote over something so important !" and " un-educated people should not be allowed to vote " then call for a second referendum under the same conditions as the first where everyone votes again! So (in their view) under exactly the same conditions as the first vote !! Now that sir is an Oxymoron!!!!
 

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What I cannot understand though is that Remainers say " the people were not educate enough to vote over something so important !"

That's misleading. Noone says that we shouldn't have had a referendum because the issue was important. The reason why many people (including me) thought the referendum was a bad idea in the first place is because as a matter of principle, we have a representative democracy - in which we (supposedly) pay MPs to devote themselves full time to jobs that include studying and coming to an understanding of the complex issues involved in Governing the country - and having referenda undermines this representative democracy. In general, making decisions by referenda often tends to lead to bad decisions because most people simply don't have the time to study the implications of different possible decisions - for the very obvious reason that most of us are busy getting on with our lives, most of us don't have degrees in economics, and most of us are working in careers that have nothing to do with Government. So it's nothing to do with the importance or otherwise of the decision, it's about respecting how our representative democracy works.

and " un-educated people should not be allowed to vote " then call for a second referendum under the same conditions as the first where everyone votes again! So (in their view) under exactly the same conditions as the first vote !! Now that sir is an Oxymoron!!!!

Sure, in principle, I would never normally support referenda. But we're now we're in a situation where it's becoming increasingly apparent that implementing the vote from the previous referendum is becoming untenable because there's no sensible way to implement it without either doing very serious harm to our economy (no-deal Brexit) or Brexiting with a deal (the May deal) which it's apparent that almost noone supports. In an ideal world, the decision of what to do to resolve this impasse would be made - in accordance with our representative democracy - by the Government and the MPs. But, since the impasse was created in the first place by a referendum, trying to modify the decision without a referendum would look pretty odd, and possibly destroy many people's faith in our democracy. Because of that, exceptionally, holding another referendum looks like it might be the least bad option we have.
 
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That's misleading. Noone says that we shouldn't have had a referendum because the issue was important. The reason why many people (including me) thought the referendum was a bad idea in the first place is because as a matter of principle, we have a representative democracy - in which we (supposedly) pay MPs to devote themselves full time to jobs that include studying and coming to an understanding of the complex issues involved in Governing the country - and having referenda undermines this representative democracy. In general, making decisions by referenda often tends to lead to bad decisions because most people simply don't have the time to study the implications of different possible decisions - for the very obvious reason that most of us are busy getting on with our lives, most of us don't have degrees in economics, and most of us are working in careers that have nothing to do with Government. So it's nothing to do with the importance or otherwise of the decision, it's about respecting how our representative democracy works.



Sure, in principle, I would never normally support referenda. But we're now we're in a situation where it's becoming increasingly apparent that implementing the vote from the previous referendum is becoming untenable because there's no sensible way to implement it without either doing very serious harm to our economy (no-deal Brexit) or Brexiting with a deal (the May deal) which it's apparent that almost noone supports. In an ideal world, the decision of what to do to resolve this impasse would be made - in accordance with our representative democracy - by the Government and the MPs. But, since the impasse was created in the first place by a referendum, trying to modify the decision without a referendum would look pretty odd, and possibly destroy many people's faith in our democracy. Because of that, exceptionally, holding another referendum looks like it might be the least bad option we have.
No basically its just a remainer lie to force a second referendum!!
 

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I'm of the opinion that we should just take the hit now and have a hard Brexit. Especially with people like Guy Verhofstdat in the EU Parliament.
Even though there have been numerous reports and impact assessments that clearly illustrate the damage that it will do to the country?
You want an economic disaster just because you don't like some foreign politicians?
 
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