EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Groningen]

Even the remoaners don't want to work or live in Europe!

You have no prove for that claim. And even the UK is still part of Europe. Leaving of not leaving the EU.

 

[nlogax]

The UK's on the cusp of going back in time a few decades. An extra hour won't matter.

 

[radamfi]

You have no prove for that claim. And even the UK is still part of Europe. Leaving of not leaving the EU.

There is actually a plan to move the UK into the middle of the Atlantic so that it is far from mainland Europe.

 

[Geezertronic]

There is actually a plan to move the UK into the middle of the Atlantic so that it is far from mainland Europe.

That's just ridiculous, the weather there is atrocious so surely a better idea is to move the UK nearer to Spain to make use of the good weather?

 

[AM9]

Clearly London didn’t “learn its lesson” that quickly as I seem to remember Johnson was re-elected for a second term. ...

I was talking about towards then end of 8 years of his administration when he started to become a liability. There was talk of a third term before he decided to get a safe Conservative seat as a (failed) route to PMhood.

 

[AM9]

I've no issues with using GMT, BST or Ferguson Time.

But it would be handy if the UK had the same time as central and western Europe (Portugal is different) - and I don't understand why Spain has to be GMT+2 in summer so mid-day is around 2pm! As I said, Portugal is on the same time as us (and I think the Canaries??) but not Spain as Portugal is further west.

I agree, - there's no good reason why the UK shouldn't be on UCT+1 (CET) which would be environmentally cleaner, safer on the roads and much more convenient for trade.

 

[RichmondCommu]

What's this scaremongering about? Think positive, we can have south African fruit. Brazilian beef, New Zealand lamb, Korean cars, all cheaper, list can go on and on. The Spanish salad growers, the dutch flower growers, Belgian chocolate makers, German/French car makers will all go bankrupt. All because we can get the same or similar products/produce from other sources. The EU has a lot more to lose than the UK, Mrs May should say 'THAT'S ENOUGH WHEN YOU WANT A TRADE DEAL WITH US MY DOOR IS OPEN WHEN YOU MAKE AN APPOINTMENT' If the country/politicians had got behind our government it would have been sorted by now.

So in other words the the whole thing is a terrible mess but it's not the fault of the Government who are leading the negotiations?

 

[northwichcat]

Philip Hammond has just announced holders of US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and Japan passports will be allowed to use ePassport gates post-Brexit. Either that means EU passport holders will be blocked from using them or very long queues!

 

[SteveP29]

There've been several opinion polls on the question of Ireland leaving or staying in the EU and the "remain" opinion has been around 90%. As to whether this would change in the event of a "hard" border, I very much doubt it. Most people don't live near the border and it doesn't impinge on them one way or other.

So they won't be leaving then

 

[Howardh]

May's been in Norway probably looking at the "Norway Option" - which is EFTA + EEA. geographically it makes sense, it would be a nice little block of countries and would still tie us to the EU r/e trade, freedom of movement etc but it would respect the referendum result. Problem is I hear the government wants that for a short time...which isn't apparently acceptable to either the EU or EFTA.

But it looks we ar at the point where the UK is just throwing anything at everything in the hope something sticks.

 

[Groningen]

Nice of you that you celebrate the leaving of the EU with a (new) 50 pence coin. Did you also have a coin when you entered the EU? It comes into service on March 29, 2019.

Source: Euractive (link: https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...oin-in-honour-of-brexit-eu-has-no-such-plans/)

 

[nlogax]

Did you also have a coin when you entered the EU?

Certainly there was one to celebrate entering the EEC in 1973.



https://www.changechecker.org/coin/106/pre-1997-50p-EEC.aspx

 

[LWB]

Certainly there was one to celebrate entering the EEC in 1973.

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https://www.changechecker.org/coin/106/pre-1997-50p-EEC.aspx

Actually it was the Common Market we voted to enter. The ‘EEC’ came later and the EU last of all. This is why I would have crawled over a field of broken glass to vote leave if necessary and why I am happy we will be gone soon.

 

[Groningen]

Yes you are right! 89,775,000 coins and it was the first special one after introduction in 1969. More special ones than those entering service later. Some 20 to 30 special 50 pence coins in the last few years.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_pence_(British_coin)

 

[nlogax]

Actually it was the Common Market we voted to enter. The ‘EEC’ came later and the EU last of all. This is why I would have crawled over a field of broken glass to vote leave if necessary and why I am happy we will be gone soon.

Nope, try again.

"The EEC was also known as the Common Market in the English-speaking countries and sometimes referred to as the European Community even before it was officially renamed as such in 1993."
Source: Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Community

"European Community (EC), previously (from 1957 until Nov. 1, 1993) European Economic Community (EEC), byname Common Market, former association designed to integrate the economies of Europe. The term also refers to the “European Communities,” which originally comprised the European Economic Community (EEC), the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC; dissolved in 2002), and the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom). In 1993 the three communities were subsumed under the European Union (EU). The EC, or Common Market, then became the principal component of the EU. It remained as such until 2009, when the EU legally replaced the EC as its institutional successor."
Source: Encyclopaedia Britannica: https://www.britannica.com/topic/European-Community-European-economic-association

"In 1957, the Treaty of Rome creates the European Economic Community (EEC), or ‘Common Market’."
Source: The EU https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/history_en

 

[Mag_seven]

So we can add a new 50p coin to blue passports as the rewards for leaving. Keep that foot on the accelerator - the cliff edge is almost here.

 

[Puffing Devil]

Actually it was the Common Market we voted to enter. The ‘EEC’ came later and the EU last of all. This is why I would have crawled over a field of broken glass to vote leave if necessary and why I am happy we will be gone soon.

I'll ask, though I never seem to get a reply - @LWB How, specifically and practically will your life be better out of the EU/EEC/Common Market?

 

[Senex]

So we can add a new 50p coin to blue passports as the rewards for leaving. Keep that foot on the accelerator - the cliff edge is almost here.

At least we can put off having a blue passport foisted on us for the best part of ten years, but what way is there of avoiding having to use May's deliberately divisive 50p coin?

 

[northwichcat]

At least we can put off having a blue passport foisted on us for the best part of ten years, but what way is there of avoiding having to use May's deliberately divisive 50p coin?

Pay for everything by card or mobile, unless unavoidable.

 

[Muttley]

I'll ask, though I never seem to get a reply - @LWB How, specifically and practically will your life be better out of the EU/EEC/Common Market?

I as you're still fighting the 2016 battle. It's been, and gone.

 

[Howardh]

I'll ask, though I never seem to get a reply - @LWB How, specifically and practically will your life be better out of the EU/EEC/Common Market?

Yes, I'd like to know too. Never mind that, I'D like to know how much better I will be after (if) we leave.

Just looking at the budget, as a carer who likes a glass of wine, and doesn't reach the £12500 tax threshold, I'll be worse off, thanks. So what can I expect from the sunny uplands that is life outside the EU, then?

 

[Muttley]

I as you're still fighting the 2016 battle. It's been, and gone.

Or rather...
i see you're still fighting the 2016 battle.
it's been, and gone.

 

[Howardh]

Yvette Cooper is doing a fine job of being the next labour leader, judging by her at committee!

 

[Puffing Devil]

Or rather...
i see you're still fighting the 2016 battle.
it's been, and gone.

That vote may have gone, many people are realising that the sunny uplands promised (£350m a week straight to the NHS) aren't so sunny after all, so I am keen to know. Perhaps you can explain how, specifically and practically will your life be better out of the EU/EEC/Common Market? No weasel words about a deal, the nasty EU not playing ball, etc. How exactly will we be better off? You voted for it, you "won the battle", what's the prize?

 

[Senex]

Yvette Cooper is doing a fine job of being the next labour leader, judging by her at committee!

It did rather remind us of what we've missed out on, didn't it?

 

[Muttley]

That vote may have gone, many people are realising that the sunny uplands promised (£350m a week straight to the NHS) aren't so sunny after all, so I am keen to know. Perhaps you can explain how, specifically and practically will your life be better out of the EU/EEC/Common Market? No weasel words about a deal, the nasty EU not playing ball, etc. How exactly will we be better off? You voted for it, you "won the battle", what's the prize?

Not a problem, I'll happily answer all your questions.
But first, I'll require you to send all your wages to me. Don't worry, I'll send some back, but I'll reserve the right to tell you how to spend it. Not only that, but if, for instance, I let you buy a round, you MUST let everybody know that it's my money you're using.
Secondly, you may only converse with 26 other forumites of my choosing. Should you want to reply to a post, you MUST have your view vetted by us 27 so we all agree. On no account will you be allowed to PM anybody else.

 

[Puffing Devil]

Not a problem, I'll happily answer all your questions.
But first, I'll require you to send all your wages to me. Don't worry, I'll send some back, but I'll reserve the right to tell you how to spend it. Not only that, but if, for instance, I let you buy a round, you MUST let everybody know that it's my money you're using.
Secondly, you may only converse with 26 other forumites of my choosing. Should you want to reply to a post, you MUST have your view vetted by us 27 so we all agree. On no account will you be allowed to PM anybody else.

I'll take that as another no tangible benefit and add you to the ignore list.

 

[NSEFAN]

That vote may have gone, many people are realising that the sunny uplands promised (£350m a week straight to the NHS) aren't so sunny after all, so I am keen to know. Perhaps you can explain how, specifically and practically will your life be better out of the EU/EEC/Common Market? No weasel words about a deal, the nasty EU not playing ball, etc. How exactly will we be better off? You voted for it, you "won the battle", what's the prize?

The prize is itself leaving the EU. To the idealist, it doesn't matter if we are worse off, financially or politically. It's all about regaining sovereignty, which is worth any cost. There's no room for pragmatism.

 

[EM2]

Not a problem, I'll happily answer all your questions.
But first, I'll require you to send all your wages to me.

And the analogy falls at the first step...

 

[Puffing Devil]

The prize is itself leaving the EU. To the idealist, it doesn't matter if we are worse off, financially or politically. It's all about regaining sovereignty, which is worth any cost. There's no room for pragmatism.

That's fine - I wish hard Brexiteers would admit it - and recognise the impact that they have had on their own and many others' lives.

What I have noticed on this thread is a reduction in the number of posts supporting Brexit as the reality of the situation begins to dawn with many voters realising that they were conned.

There is no "easiest trade deal ever", we are set to leave the customs union, there will be no £350m for the NHS.

We will have control - of an economy and a country stripped of its trade deals, with no hope of any immediate agreements and the viability of cross-border manufacturing dead in the water.

All we can hope for is that May does the decent thing, bottles a no-deal, hard brexit and agrees to an extended Norway model so this country can sort itself out.