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Contingency Plans for Wartime and Invasion
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Merthyr Imp
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Well, I know they worried a lot about it in the 1880s.
matt_world2004
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North korea thought it was a good idea.
Trains already cope quite well with zombies on a Friday and Saturday night.
james60059
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That would be a shock to the system for many, especially of they have their heads in their phones 24/7
hooverboy
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That would be a shock to the system for many, especially of they have their heads in their phones 24/7
naah, the new generation soldiers will all have virtual reality headsets,so it'll be like playing a shoot'em up on playstation.It'll be cool.
the bods in the military figured out that real life shooting actually makes (most) people want to avoid shooting people,so they had to come up with a way of increasing the kill rate.
the solution-make it not look real.
that would be odd wouldn't it?...having a CS:GO playstation game that unbeknownst to the players was actually A REAL MISSION.
Your second paragraph describes precisely why weapons systems have become more stand off over the centuries. On D Day roughly only 25% if soldiers fired their weapons at all and muskets have been found on Napoleonic battlefields with 15 rounds up the barrel with not one of them fired.
The first paragraph is in the realms of science fiction. At some point in any battle, particularly if territory is at stake, there will be a requirement for infantry soldiers to close on the enemy and kill them. Bayonets were used extensively by UK forces in the Falkland Islands and Afghanistan and will remain a part of weapon systems going forward.
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yes, totally agree.
Same with the telecoms/internet networks.
There is a certain amount of resilience built in but it would be very easy to take out the entire telecoms network with a few judiciously targeted warheads.
And you can totally forget any idea of getting on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc, first hint of hostilities and the ADSL network will be switched off, same with mobiles.
What little bandwidth that's left will be needed for emergency services.
Considering how badly this country runs in peacetime, how could anyone have any confidence in it surviving more than 5 minutes if war broke out?
To expand: we have had a succession of governments with a fanatical determination to limit the role and size of the state, who seem to think that the whole country can be run on the basis of just-in-time logistics, like a supermarket. Vital infrastructure has been sold off to a mixture of private, usually foreign-owned, companies, and numerous foreign governments. Defence capabilities have been relentlessly run down, and often subjected to the same process of privatisation. We prove ourselves repeatedly incapable of dealing with any sort of disruption to normal life without a war. The chances of normal life in modern-day Britain being able to continue in the event of any sort of war are precisely zero.
Conversely, the chances of a Russian conventional attack on Britain are also pretty low. The first thing which will go kaput in that scenario will be the value of real property in Britain. Real property in Britain is of course where Putin and his cronies have stashed much of their ill-gotten gains.
To expand: we have had a succession of governments with a fanatical determination to limit the role and size of the state, who seem to think that the whole country can be run on the basis of just-in-time logistics, like a supermarket. Vital infrastructure has been sold off to a mixture of private, usually foreign-owned, companies, and numerous foreign governments. Defence capabilities have been relentlessly run down, and often subjected to the same process of privatisation. We prove ourselves repeatedly incapable of dealing with any sort of disruption to normal life without a war. The chances of normal life in modern-day Britain being able to continue in the event of any sort of war are precisely zero.
Conversely, the chances of a Russian conventional attack on Britain are also pretty low. The first thing which will go kaput in that scenario will be the value of real property in Britain. Real property in Britain is of course where Putin and his cronies have stashed much of their ill-gotten gains.
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You do realise that Iran and Saudi Arabia are bitter enemies, currently fighting a vicious proxy war in Yemen ?
We’re a NATO country, it would work in the same way that it will when/if the Baltic states get attacked by Russia (the most likely next conflict). Lots of countries would be involved in various ways. Would be no different if someone was to have a try at the UK. You’re veering into conspiracy with some of your views.
France sold Exocets to Argentina nearly 40 yrs ago and at that time Argentina-was considered an ally to the Uk/west as they opposed the hard left Chilean dictatorship. When the Falklands started they stopped selling them to the Argentinians, in fact they declined to deliver already paid for missiles to Peru as there were concerns that they’d find their way to Argentina. They did carry on providing tech support for Exocet launchers but none were relevant to that conflict and the Argentines has run out of missiles by the end of the conflict as no one would sell them any.[/QUOTE]
Didn't the French supply Britain with info on countermeasures for the Exocets, or am I misremembering ?
Think you may have scrambled your dictatorship timelines, though. An extremely hard right military dictatorship took Chile over in 1973, with western approval. An even harder right military junta seized Argentina in 1976, again without London or Washington being too bothered. It was the Argentine decision to invade the Falklands (as a distraction from extreme mismanagement of their own economy) which changed that.
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matacaster
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Virgin have this war situation completely covered - bustitution!
Merthyr Imp
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In a musket? I'm confused.
Talk about tin foil hat time - or are you trying to make a (badly) disguised daily mail type rant about Labour?
A couple of thousand cement mixer trucks?
As someone who has worked in Emergency Planning, I find this thread both fascinating and amusing; I do like the idea that Delay Repay will be suspended in the event of a nuclear attack!
Obviously, there are many contingency plans, covering a huge range of scenarios, some in the public domain, and many not.
Interestingly, you can get a flavour of how the UK would respond to a major threat from various television films/programmes, some of which are far more realistic than others.
Someone mentioned 'Threads' (1984) which, even if it seems very dated, does paint a stark reality of a nuclear attack on the UK.
More recently, there has been the BBC drama 'World War Three: Inside the War Room' (2016).
And looking at a slightly different scenario, there is the Channel 4 docu-drama 'Blackout' (2013).
The Government does provide a lot of general information, in the public domain, on main threats to the UK and some of this can be found on the CPNI (Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure) website https://www.cpni.gov.uk/national-security-threats which states:
Obviously, there are many contingency plans, covering a huge range of scenarios, some in the public domain, and many not.
Interestingly, you can get a flavour of how the UK would respond to a major threat from various television films/programmes, some of which are far more realistic than others.
Someone mentioned 'Threads' (1984) which, even if it seems very dated, does paint a stark reality of a nuclear attack on the UK.
More recently, there has been the BBC drama 'World War Three: Inside the War Room' (2016).
And looking at a slightly different scenario, there is the Channel 4 docu-drama 'Blackout' (2013).
The Government does provide a lot of general information, in the public domain, on main threats to the UK and some of this can be found on the CPNI (Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure) website https://www.cpni.gov.uk/national-security-threats which states:
Didn't the French supply Britain with info on countermeasures for the Exocets, or am I misremembering ?
Think you may have scrambled your dictatorship timelines, though. An extremely hard right military dictatorship took Chile over in 1973, with western approval. An even harder right military junta seized Argentina in 1976, again without London or Washington being too bothered. It was the Argentine decision to invade the Falklands (as a distraction from extreme mismanagement of their own economy) which changed that.[/QUOTE]
No confusion re timelines. I’m currently involved in a high level exercise looking at the geopolitical reasons for the conflict and lessons learnt. There was no love lost between Argentina and Chile hence the latter’s support for the UK as their political views were so opposed.
You are right about French countermeasure assistance.
Yes. Loaded with individual ball shot but never fired.
Merthyr Imp
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I suppose it depends on the definition of 'a round'.
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It is a good book but is hugely out of date now. Much of what Campbell was feeling in the dark for has since been declassified and there are some very good websites outlining the details. Steve Fox's "Burlington & Beyond" and "Struggle for survival" ebooks (both available free online) are a good introduction to the subject from a historical perspective.
No confusion re timelines. I’m currently involved in a high level exercise looking at the geopolitical reasons for the conflict and lessons learnt. There was no love lost between Argentina and Chile hence the latter’s support for the UK as their political views were so opposed.
You are right about French countermeasure assistance.[/QUOTE]
Really ? Are you saying that Pinochet was a leftist ? Wasn't the longstanding enmity to do with some sort of territorial squabble in the far south ?
Well it must have been deliberately duff information from the perfidious French.
An Exocet successfully sunk the Atlantic conveyor, killing many & destroying equipment & aircraft essential for the relief of the Falklands. As a result our troops had to slog through swamps for several days, a superhuman effort. Their transport was at the bottom of the Atlantic. The French Exocet attack almost lost us the war & the last vestige of our prestige.
Yes, I was using the modern term.
Really ? Are you saying that Pinochet was a leftist ? Wasn't the longstanding enmity to do with some sort of territorial squabble in the far south ?[/QUOTE]
All dictatorships/extreme political ideologies meet round the back eventually, even National Socialism, or Naziism had its roots in far left thinking and many of its policies (prior to Jewish extermination) were far more left wing than they were right.
All dictatorships/extreme political ideologies meet round the back eventually, even National Socialism, or Naziism had its roots in far left thinking and many of its policies (prior to Jewish extermination) were far more left wing than they were right.[/QUOTE]
So your use of the terms left and right wing was essentially.meaningless. I gothcha
DarloRich
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Much of this would be covered by transition to war arrangements surely. If not i suspect the plan will be KBO.
Simple: Detach the head or destroy the brain.
The French stopped a sale to Peru in fear of a secondary sale to Argentina and British intelligence posed as arms dealers to buy up any open market missiles. Those that couldn't be bought were incapacitated following advice from the French ( I think this was in book written by Sir John Knott)
Simple: Detach the head or destroy the brain.
The French stopped a sale to Peru in fear of a secondary sale to Argentina and British intelligence posed as arms dealers to buy up any open market missiles. Those that couldn't be bought were incapacitated following advice from the French ( I think this was in book written by Sir John Knott)
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