Greater Anglia Class 755s (Regional Trains)

[edwin_m]

But a FLIRT isn't really a DMU, it's LHCS with the loco being a weird short thing in the middle. So instead of having all axles with about a 10 tonne load, it'll have two axles with 18 tonnes and four (for a 2-car unit) with far less than that.

And on top of that it's electro-diesel - which by their very nature are overweight EMUs as they have to lug around the extra weight of engines, coolers, fuel etc.

Which is why there is a concern about it being able to use Sprinter differential speeds, normally only available to stock with axleloads of about 10 tonnes.

 

[JaJaWa]

Like this?

I did it with just the black panel on the front repainted, leaving the red band underneath, but it looked odd to my eye. It looks more like the original render in this way as well, going down to the opening around the coupler.

The yellow front has indeed been added to the newest official renderings. It's tiny though, even smaller than your mock-up so not sure it would qualify under the old criteria?

Source: https://twitter.com/GreaterAngliaPR/status/975783806304169984

 

[dp21]

The yellow front has indeed been added to the newest official renderings. It's tiny though, even smaller than your mock-up so not sure it would qualify under the old criteria?

Source: https://twitter.com/GreaterAngliaPR/status/975783806304169984

It does comply. The actual area of yellow you need is really not very big. Look at the GBRf 66s and the amount of the front which is actually the "correct" yellow.

Unless you can perform the appropriate risk assessments and mitigate any outstanding risks you still have to meet the old criteria. The yellow end standards haven't changed in themselves.

 

[Bletchleyite]

On another note, I've just seen the rendering video Abellio have Tweeted of the FLIRT interior, looking very good and very much like the Euro-FLIRTs of which I'm a massive fan, one thing of note is that it appears to show a manual door in the disabled bog which is what all the Euro-FLIRTs have. I wonder does that meet UK regs, and if that will be what we get? If so maybe more reliable than the conventional electric ones?

 

[dp21]

On another note, I've just seen the rendering video Abellio have Tweeted of the FLIRT interior, looking very good and very much like the Euro-FLIRTs of which I'm a massive fan, one thing of note is that it appears to show a manual door in the disabled bog which is what all the Euro-FLIRTs have. I wonder does that meet UK regs, and if that will be what we get? If so maybe more reliable than the conventional electric ones?

Looks like a Semi-Automatic one and has door controls on the left hand side of the aperture and that complies with the TSIs. Should be fine.

 

[43096]

On another note, I've just seen the rendering video Abellio have Tweeted of the FLIRT interior, looking very good and very much like the Euro-FLIRTs of which I'm a massive fan, one thing of note is that it appears to show a manual door in the disabled bog which is what all the Euro-FLIRTs have. I wonder does that meet UK regs, and if that will be what we get? If so maybe more reliable than the conventional electric ones?

UK regs? The disabled access standard is the EU PRM-TSI.

 

[James James]

Looks like a Semi-Automatic one and has door controls on the left hand side of the aperture and that complies with the TSIs. Should be fine.

From what I remember, the SBB flirt's doors can be operated both manually or by button, although I don't use those trains regularly. I will make sure to take a look the next time I'm on one.

Anyhow, there are some more designs on this page which show 3 door buttons:
https://schoenemanndesign.co.uk/portfolio/2411/

I must say the interior looks a touch cramped compared to the SBB flirts (all seating in groups of 4, aligned with windows), but OK for British trains I guess.

 

[dp21]

I must say the interior looks a touch cramped compared to the SBB flirts (all seating in groups of 4, aligned with windows), but OK for British trains I guess.

Downside of UK loading gauge I suppose

 

[F Great Eastern]

There are a few strange things with the most recent render that I wouldn't expect to see on the final product such as the placement as the passenger information displays which are impossible to see from anywhere other than the vestibules in standard class.

 

[F Great Eastern]

I must say the interior looks a touch cramped compared to the SBB flirts (all seating in groups of 4, aligned with windows), but OK for British trains I guess.

GA have gone out their way to avoid showing a proper photo of a carriage with a few rows of airline seats back to back that would allow you to have a rough idea of how the majority seats are spaced.

All of the renders I've seen of airline seats so far have been extra room ones, ones behind or in front of a table, the last or first row before vestibules and a lot of photos of table seats and wheelchair spaces etc. Nothing that really allows you to know how a run of the mill carriage with many rows of airline seats will look space wise.

They have resisted all questioning on this kind of thing for a long time so I suspect it won't be good, especially when they are using a seat design made for extreme high density which is what the LEAN really is.

 

[dk1]

GA have gone out their way to avoid showing a proper photo of a carriage with a few rows of airline seats back to back that would allow you to have a rough idea of how the majority seats are spaced.

All of the renders I've seen of airline seats so far have been extra room ones, ones behind or in front of a table, the last or first row before vestibules and a lot of photos of table seats and wheelchair spaces etc. Nothing that really allows you to know how a run of the mill carriage with many rows of airline seats will look space wise.

They have resisted all questioning on this kind of thing for a long time so I suspect it won't be good, especially when they are using a seat design made for extreme high density which is what the LEAN really is.

And repeatedly focusing on the 'Bistro' counter.

 

[grumblingalong]

GA have gone out their way to avoid showing a proper photo of a carriage with a few rows of airline seats back to back that would allow you to have a rough idea of how the majority seats are spaced.

All of the renders I've seen of airline seats so far have been extra room ones, ones behind or in front of a table, the last or first row before vestibules and a lot of photos of table seats and wheelchair spaces etc. Nothing that really allows you to know how a run of the mill carriage with many rows of airline seats will look space wise.

They have resisted all questioning on this kind of thing for a long time so I suspect it won't be good, especially when they are using a seat design made for extreme high density which is what the LEAN really is.

On a scale of 1-10 how gutted are you going to be if they turn out to be ok?

 

[F Great Eastern]

On a scale of 1-10 how gutted are you going to be if they turn out to be ok?

Do you think it's a just a co-incidence that out of all the renders we've seen almost every single one of them just doesn't happen to show a proper view of the most common types of seats in the carriages and the fact they also refuse to answer questions about such seats as well is also just another co-incidence?

This is PR School 101, which Anglia were also very good at. If there is something positive to say you say it. If there is not something positive to say you deflect. If someone makes a point which is true but negative, you instead answer a similar question that was not asked that portrays you in a positive light.

I hope they turn out totally fine. But if Abellio can tell people the seat pitch of first class, table seats, priority seats and other non standard seats, why can they not say that of a standard airline seat?

 

[grumblingalong]

Do you think it's a just a co-incidence that out of all the renders we've seen almost every single one of them just doesn't happen to show a proper view of the most common types of seats in the carriages and the fact they also refuse to answer questions about such seats as well is also just another co-incidence?

This is PR School 101, which Anglia were also very good at. If there is something positive to say you say it. If there is not something positive to say you deflect. If someone makes a point which is true but negative, you instead answer a similar question that was not asked that portrays you in a positive light.

I hope they turn out totally fine. But if Abellio can tell people the seat pitch of first class, table seats, priority seats and other non standard seats, why can they not say that of a standard airline seat?

I hear you, but still, out of 10?

 

[F Great Eastern]

I hear you, but still, out of 10?

1 because I will be delighted!!

 

[grumblingalong]

1 because I will be delighted!!

Top man.

Well enjoy the feeling while it lasts because I think the chances of that happening are somewhat slim!

 

[dp21]

For anyone interested in the units and not just turning this into another seating thread, the first unit (755 401) has rolled out of the factory in Bussnang last weekend.

 

[class387]

For anyone interested in the units and not just turning this into another seating thread, the first unit (755 401) has rolled out of the factory in Bussnang last weekend.

Any pictures?

 

[dp21]

Any pictures?

I have a few but not sure whether I'm permitted to share yet. Doesn't have headlights or a lot of the lower front end fitted yet interestingly.

 

[superalbs]

I have a few but not sure whether I'm permitted to share yet. Doesn't have headlights or a lot of the lower front end fitted yet interestingly.

Did the front end turn out black or yellow? Or is that the bit that has not yet been added?

 

[Bornin1980s]

Is it three or four car? And, any info on the engines?

 

[samuelmorris]

I think 401 means it'll be a 4-car.

 

[hexagon789]

I think 401 means it'll be a 4-car.

Yes, the /4s are the four-car units; the three-car are /3s.

 

[dp21]

Did the front end turn out black or yellow? Or is that the bit that has not yet been added?

That's not been added yet. I have it on good authority that they're set be yellow due to issues with level crossings etc. Interestingly the panel which was set to be yellow was grey in one of the shots that I've seen. We'll have to wait for it to be completed before we know for sure. I had imagined it might be black with a yellow vinyl so it could be changed however grey was unexpected for me!

Is it three or four car? And, any info on the engines?

4-car. The 4-cars have 4 engines, the 3-cars have 2. They're V8 diesels manufactured by Deutz.

I think 401 means it'll be a 4-car.

Yes, as has been said above, quite right. I believe the 3-cars will be numbered such that they continue on after the /4 series. This means that if they ever get extended they just have to change the sub class number rather than the unique identifier.

 

[grumblingalong]

https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/982991554410352640?s=19

Richard Clinnick has posted an image on twitter.

 

[hexagon789]

https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/982991554410352640?s=19

Richard Clinnick has posted an image on twitter.

Is that just the base colour scheme or will they look like that in service?

 

[dk1]

Is that just the base colour scheme or will they look like that in service?

Pretty much but with a nice yellow front

 

[hexagon789]

Pretty much but with a nice yellow front

Oh lovely!

 

[dp21]

Pretty much but with a nice yellow front

Yeh all the renders I've seen show that panel below the windscreen being yellow. Which is why I was surprised to see it grey.

 

[hexagon789]

Yeh all the renders I've seen show that panel below the windscreen being yellow. Which is why I was surprised to see it grey.

That's what I was thinking - so they are having yellow panels then?