Northern Unit Refurbishments and depot allocations.

[brel york]

150 203 is supposed to be getting delivered back on sat 6th jan , should be on test over Xmas , it’s now prm compliant and painted in northern new livery

 

[NorthernSpirit]

These two 57 cars with one being conveted to a 52 car, would I be right in saying that this eventual unit would be regarded as a 150/9 or to put it another way a potential 150909 what with it being a completly non standard unit that Northern shall be operating?

 

[978wta]

Hi all, new to this forum and I find this thread an interesting read.

Can I ask how the 2 class 150 non toilet cars (DMS) came about? Was the other half’s wrote off?

 

[brel york]

Yes they were

 

[brel york]

These two 57 cars with one being conveted to a 52 car, would I be right in saying that this eventual unit would be regarded as a 150/9 or to put it another way a potential 150909 what with it being a completly non standard unit that Northern shall be operating?

I think their plan was to remumber it as 52209 , so in theory a standard unit again but I think they are considering giving gwr 207 instead , I will check how far the engineering got but it was quite involved as a roof hatch and tank cradle would need fitting

 

[Halish Railway]

One final update for the year.

Units in red are in the Northern Rail livery or their former operator's livery.
Units in blue are in the Northern livery.
Units in purple are in the base Northern livery.
Units in bold are refurbished.
Units with a ^ are out of service for repaint/refurbishment/PRM mods.
Units with a * have received PRM modifications.
Units with a $ are currently stored/out of service.
Class 319 units with an F are having engines fitted for the Class 769 Flex programme.

Class 150s:
150102^, 150103, 150110, 150111, 150112, 150113, 150114, 150115, 150116, 150117, 150118, 150119, 150122$, 150124*$, 150132, 150133, 150134*, 150135, 150136*, 150137*, 150138, 150139, 150140*, 150141, 150142*, 150143, 150144, 150145, 150146, 150147, 150148, 150149, 150150.

150201, 150203^, 150204*, 150205*, 150206*, 150207, 150210, 150211*, 150214, 150215, 150218, 150220*, 150222*, 150223*, 150224, 150225, 150226, 150228, 150268, 150269, 150270, 150271, 150272, 150273, 150274^, 150275*, 150276*, 150277.

Due: 150101, 150104, 150105, 150106, 150107, 150108, 150109, 150120, 150121, 150123, 150125, 150126*, 150127, 150128, 150129, 150130, 150131.

Class 155s:
155341, 155342, 155343, 155344, 155345*, 155346*, 155347^.

Class 156s:
156420, 156421, 156423, 156424, 156425, 156426, 156427, 156428, 156429, 156438*, 156440, 156441, 156443*, 156444*, 156448, 156451*, 156452, 156454*, 156455, 156459, 156460, 156461, 156463*, 156464, 156466, 156468, 156469, 156471*, 156472*^, 156475, 156479*, 156480, 156481*, 156482*, 156483*, 156484*, 156486*, 156487*, 156488*, 156489*, 156490^, 156491*.

Due: 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??.

Class 158s:
2-car: 158784, 158787, 158790, 158791, 158792, 158793, 158794, 158795, 158796, 158797, 158815, 158816, 158817, 158842, 158843, 158844, 158845*, 158848, 158849*, 158850^, 158851, 158853, 158855, 158859, 158860*, 158861, 158872.

158901, 158902, 158903, 158904, 158905, 158906, 158907, 158908, 158909, 158910.

3-car: 158752*, 158753*, 158754*, 158755*, 158756*, 158757^, 158758, 158759.

Due: 158782*, 158786*, 158789*, 158867*, 158868*, 158869*, 158870*, 158871*.

Note: 158906 is fitted with WiFi, charging points and a PIS in one carriage.

Class 170s:
Due: 170453*, 170454*, 170455*, 170456*, 170457*, 170458*, 170459*, 170460*, 170461*, 170472*, 170473*, 170474*, 170475*, 170476*, 170477*, 170478*.

Class 319s:
319361*, 319362*, 319363*, 319364*, 319365*, 319366*, 319367*, 319368*, 319369*, 319370*, 319371*, 319374*, 319375*, 319376*, 319377*, 319378*, 319379*, 319380, 319381*$, 319382*, 319383*, 319384*, 319385*, 319386.

319424*F, 319431*^, 319434*F, 319442*$, 319448*, 319450*, 319456*F, 319458*^.

Class 333s:
333001*, 333002*, 333003*, 333004*, 333005*, 333006*, 333007*, 333008*, 333009*, 333010*, 333011*, 333012*, 333013*, 333014*, 333015*, 333016*.

Class 769s:
769424*F, 769431*, 769434*F, 769442*$, 769448*, 769450*, 769456*F, 769458*, 7694??$, 7694??$, 7694??$.

Note: Class 769s in italics have not yet been converted.

If anyone sees any mistakes or has any additional information, please let me know.

In addition, does anyone know if any of the ScotRail units expected to join the fleet are PRM compliant?

I think 319 380 and 319 386 are in new livery.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I think their plan was to remumber it as 52209 , so in theory a standard unit again but I think they are considering giving gwr 207 instead , I will check how far the engineering got but it was quite involved as a roof hatch and tank cradle would need fitting

With regard to the tank cradle, surely that's no different to the process of fitting tanks to vehicles which previously had "dump on the tracks" toilets?

Unless you mean the clean water tank for the taps and for flushing, of course.

 

[brel york]

With regard to the tank cradle, surely that's no different to the process of fitting tanks to vehicles which previously had "dump on the tracks" toilets?

Unless you mean the clean water tank for the taps and for flushing, of course.

The two roof tanks are been removed and replaced by one stainless steel tank , the pcc toilet uses a lot less water

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The two roof tanks are been removed and replaced by one stainless steel tank , the pcc toilet uses a lot less water

So we're talking supply tanks rather than waste tanks then? You wouldn't want that waste in the roofspace!

 

[brel york]

So we're talking supply tanks rather than waste tanks then? You wouldn't want that waste in the roofspace!

We are due to start fitting cet tanks soon

 

[yorksrob]

Wouldn't it make more sense to use the two spare toiletless carriages to convert two other units into three car units ?

There are lots of diagrams around Leeds where 150's seem to be stretched capacity wise.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Wouldn't it make more sense to use the two spare toiletless carriages to convert two other units into three car units ?

There are lots of diagrams around Leeds where 150's seem to be stretched capacity wise.

Especially when Northern are planning on forming 3-car sets with just one toilet per unit... though that would be far too sensible!

Though are the orphaned cars owned by the same ROSCO as the ones being turned into threes? That would be an issue, albeit an illogical one.

 

[northwichcat]

Especially when Northern are planning on forming 3-car sets with just one toilet per unit... though that would be far too sensible!

Though are the orphaned cars owned by the same ROSCO as the ones being turned into threes? That would be an issue, albeit an illogical one.

The orphaned cars belong to Angel, the hybrid sets will have to be formed of Angel owned sets as Porterbrook don't own any 150/1s.

 

[absolutelymilk]

So what units will be cascaded to Northern in January 2018?

 

[northwichcat]

So what units will be cascaded to Northern in January 2018?

Northern are supposed to have most of the 150/1s from GWR and LM by January but with various delays I'm not sure of the exact transfer dates.

 

[absolutelymilk]

Northern are supposed to have most of the 150/1s from GWR and LM by January but with various delays I'm not sure of the exact transfer dates.

GWR and LM have fifteen 150s so (say) ten transferring should make a big difference

 

[IanXC]

Wouldn't it make more sense to use the two spare toiletless carriages to convert two other units into three car units ?

There are lots of diagrams around Leeds where 150's seem to be stretched capacity wise.

It would seem this is exactly how the plan is being amended.

 

[59CosG95]

I think 319 380 and 319 386 are in new livery.

319 458 is as well, left Wolverton for Allerton behind a ROG 37 yesterday.

 

[jonesy3001]

What about the 156s,158s and 170s northern are expecting from scotrail when are they due?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The orphaned cars belong to Angel, the hybrid sets will have to be formed of Angel owned sets as Porterbrook don't own any 150/1s.

Though there's nothing preventing hybrid sets being formed with just /2 vehicles... it's more that the 3-car units are less likely to work in multiple than the 2-car ones, so having no end gangways is less of an issue.
Hence 3-car 150s which are gangwayed throughout have only historically been temporary formations if a unit is split for repairs to one vehicle.

 

[507021]

Thanks to all for the extra updates, I've added these into my list. Link is here.

 

[PHILIPE]

Northern are supposed to have most of the 150/1s from GWR and LM by January but with various delays I'm not sure of the exact transfer dates.

I think DFT have stuck their oar in and that transfers will be more phased due to their replacements (Turbos) not being ready in time due, for one thing, requiring some mods. I don't go by forecast dates any more - just expect it when you see it.

 

[yorksrob]

It would seem this is exactly how the plan is being amended.

That's good to know. There are a few Hallam line services that could use one.

 

[yorksrob]

Especially when Northern are planning on forming 3-car sets with just one toilet per unit... though that would be far too sensible!

Though are the orphaned cars owned by the same ROSCO as the ones being turned into threes? That would be an issue, albeit an illogical one.

To be honest, wherever the sister units were, they could probably find use for a couple of three carriage sets.

 

[mic505]

16 3-car 170/4's are due by December 2018 (dependent on 385's entering traffic). 5 156's and 8 158's are due in 2019.

 

[northwichcat]

16 3-car 170/4's are due by December 2018 (dependent on 385's entering traffic). 5 156's and 8 158's are due in 2019.

Do you have revised dates? Originally the 170s were due to arrive in the Spring but not in time for the May timetable change, with the 156s and 158s arriving by the end of the year.

 

[brel york]

150 149 , first car is ready for paint shop and new livery

 

[brel york]

All the gwr 150 that have had a C4 at wabtec in last couple of years have had their trailing end auto couplers removed and bar couplers put in place this will make it harder for northern to mix and match units to make 3car hybrids, also if the angel 150/2 and 150/0 eventually migrate north they will need electrical mods doing as the cab end pis units are different and need sending back to suppliers for reprogramming along with the saloon amplifier unit above the uat ,
Angels gwr units don’t have the new call for aid working yet so we have fitted an old fashioned pass com switch in the toilet rear access panel

 

[mic505]

Unfortunately no.

 

[boeing737229]

I see that 142062 is being "refurbished" at Holbeck, assumingly at Neville Hill or is there a works at Holbeck?
It'd be nice if it comes back in the new livery too! (and yes i know it probably won't before anyone says)