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Rail Enthusiasts and Sexual Orientation

What's your sexual orientation?

  • Bisexual

    Votes: 14 8.4%
  • Gay

    Votes: 22 13.3%
  • Straight

    Votes: 113 68.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 17 10.2%

  • Total voters
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Just me who thinks all of this is needless and, frankly, a bit silly, then? Who cares what you are, self-interested parties trying to encourage us to brand ourselves with as many labels as possible do very little of any use, frankly. The human race is what it is, no matter how many meaningless brandings we might introduce. That people feel the need to advertise 'what' they are is very sad, and that some factions seem to have entered into an acronym arms race is sadder still. Go and be happy for heaven's sake...
 
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Just me who thinks all of this is needless and, frankly, a bit silly, then? Who cares what you are, self-interested parties trying to encourage us to brand ourselves with as many labels as possible do very little of any use, frankly. The human race is what it is, no matter how many meaningless brandings we might introduce. That people feel the need to advertise 'what' they are is very sad, and that some factions seem to have entered into an acronym arms race is sadder still. Go and be happy for heaven's sake...

Agreed.

(In case I'm being off-topic, then I'm hetrosexual, or straight).
 

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Just me who thinks all of this is needless and, frankly, a bit silly, then? Who cares what you are, self-interested parties trying to encourage us to brand ourselves with as many labels as possible do very little of any use, frankly. The human race is what it is, no matter how many meaningless brandings we might introduce. That people feel the need to advertise 'what' they are is very sad, and that some factions seem to have entered into an acronym arms race is sadder still. Go and be happy for heaven's sake...

I concur. I genuinely do not care who someone is attracted to or what they identify as, I just wish we'd stop putting people into so many different boxes (either as a society or voluntarily). If we were only bothered by who we are, not what we are, we would be in a much better place. Go out, be happy, don't infringe others, enjoy what time you have here and stop trying to find utopia by defining everything.
 
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Just me who thinks all of this is needless and, frankly, a bit silly, then? Who cares what you are, self-interested parties trying to encourage us to brand ourselves with as many labels as possible do very little of any use, frankly. The human race is what it is, no matter how many meaningless brandings we might introduce. That people feel the need to advertise 'what' they are is very sad, and that some factions seem to have entered into an acronym arms race is sadder still. Go and be happy for heaven's sake...

Agree completely.

I have no interest in what anyone is or isn't, a fellow human being is enough for me.
 

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I concur. I genuinely do not care who someone is attracted to or what they identify as, I just wish we'd stop putting people into so many different boxes (either as a society or voluntarily). If we were only bothered by who we are, not what we are, we would be in a much better place. Go out, be happy, don't infringe others, enjoy what time you have here and stop trying to find utopia by defining everything.

Nobody bothered about this years ago. People just used to get on with their lives without people trying to categorise them.
 

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Nobody bothered about this years ago. People just used to get on with their lives without people trying to categorise them.
Not true. There used to be a lot more prejudice in society years ago than there is now.

Kids are much less likely to be bullied for being LGBT in schools now than, say, 10 or 20 years ago. And now it would be taken much more seriously if such bullying takes place.

In fact at my local school you were more likely to be bullied for not being from Yorkshire than you are now for being LGBT.

I am concerned that you may not have heeded some of the advice given to you in previous threads.
 

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Not true. There used to be a lot more prejudice in society years ago than there is now.
It depends on how far you go back. Prior to the 1700's there was much more tolerance of sexuality than there has been in more recent years.
 

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Not only prejudice, homosexual acts were illegal until 1967.
1982 in Scotland and NI. It's not exactly ancient history.

I'm glad people can access the information, support and validation they need, which compares starkly to the wall of innuendo and silence that existed when I was at school. If people want to talk about it then good for them.

I'm quite interested by specific subject of the thread itself as well, just because it's not an idea that had ever suggested itself to me. Not sure if the poll or subsequent discussion advance the theory in either direction though.
 

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Not true. There used to be a lot more prejudice in society years ago than there is now.

Kids are much less likely to be bullied for being LGBT in schools now than, say, 10 or 20 years ago. And now it would be taken much more seriously if such bullying takes place.

In fact at my local school you were more likely to be bullied for not being from Yorkshire than you are now for being LGBT.

I am concerned that you may not have heeded some of the advice given to you in previous threads.

Even ginger hair nowadays. I may have been misunderstood in the past but I'm not prejudiced against gender matters but wonder why the fuss as it is now has only fairly recently started on the present scale or did people just suffer in silence.
 

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I wonder why some people are so negative in this thread. Sexual orientation are not a "new" thing, also, straight, bi and gay/lesbian are the basic orientations, if one identifies with other nuances/shades, that is what all these other labels are for.

Oh, and by the way, the T in LGBT, trans, is not a sexual orientation, in cause anyone didn't know...

Edit: as per the opening question, I didn't encounter a higher-than-usual proportion of LGBT rail or bus enthusiasts. I do know some other gay and trans rail fans, but also many many heteros.
 
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Then there's even "demisexual" which in short-hand is not quite asexual but with less of a sexual drive than the average, though with the possibility of intimacy with the right partner for that person. I personally identify as a bi-romantic demisexual male, as I can form intimate emotional attachments with either males or females (with a bias towards females) but I don't have a particularly high sex drive, and sexual desire tends not to be a conscious driver of my romantic "endeavours". Naturally I selected "other" in the poll.

I also identify as demisexual, also with a bias towards females.
 

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Just me who thinks all of this is needless and, frankly, a bit silly, then? Who cares what you are, self-interested parties trying to encourage us to brand ourselves with as many labels as possible do very little of any use, frankly. The human race is what it is, no matter how many meaningless brandings we might introduce. That people feel the need to advertise 'what' they are is very sad, and that some factions seem to have entered into an acronym arms race is sadder still. Go and be happy for heaven's sake...

Spoken like someone who doesn't experience discrimination just for being who they are.

In an ideal world, sure, there'd be no need to define yourself as gay or straight, because we could all hit on each other and just say "no thankyou" if we don't like the person hitting on us. Unfortunately because there are people out there who would react to being hit on by hitting back, because there are people who advocate discrimination, violence and even murder because we don't meet their standards for humanity, it is necessary for some of us to hide, and for the rest of us to stand up and be counted - to say we are human, and just as deserving of the rights of liberty and freedom as a straight person. Violence for being yourself - being gay, being black, being a woman - is not something which we have eradicated, it happens every single day. In Chechnya they are murdering people for being gay, in Africa people are murdered for being gay. In America, people are murdered for being gay. Not last century, in 2017.

I'm white, male, cisgender, and I pass for straight. I have a family who accept me for who I love, and who accept that my girlfriend was not always a girl. I have never personally experienced direct homophobia, merely the ingrained societal taunts of calling people gay. I am incredibly lucky in that regard. But when people say they "don't mind gays, they just don't want it shoved in their faces", that is homophobia. It's saying that we don't have a right to show affection for the people we love in public. But it's ok for straight people because that's "normal". Pride is important, because we are here, we are queer, and the rest of you need to ****ing get used to it. People ask why there's no straight pride. You know why? Because straight pride is the entire rest of the year. Why is there a Black History Month but no White History Month? Because White History Month is the entire year. Same for women's history. Our society is based around cisgender heterosexual white (Christian) males having the power. Prominent women, ethnic minority or LGBT people disrupt that hegemony, and, whether or not they reason it out quite so fully, that is the cause of misogyny, racism and homophobia - those currently in a position of power feel threatened, and to cling to power they deny the rights of those outside their own group.

So yes, in an ideal world I wouldn't need to proclaim my identity, nor fight for others' right to theirs. But we don't live there, so deal with it.
 

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Spoken like someone who doesn't experience discrimination just for being who they are.

In an ideal world, sure, there'd be no need to define yourself as gay or straight, because we could all hit on each other and just say "no thankyou" if we don't like the person hitting on us. Unfortunately because there are people out there who would react to being hit on by hitting back, because there are people who advocate discrimination, violence and even murder because we don't meet their standards for humanity, it is necessary for some of us to hide, and for the rest of us to stand up and be counted - to say we are human, and just as deserving of the rights of liberty and freedom as a straight person. Violence for being yourself - being gay, being black, being a woman - is not something which we have eradicated, it happens every single day. In Chechnya they are murdering people for being gay, in Africa people are murdered for being gay. In America, people are murdered for being gay. Not last century, in 2017.

I'm white, male, cisgender, and I pass for straight. I have a family who accept me for who I love, and who accept that my girlfriend was not always a girl. I have never personally experienced direct homophobia, merely the ingrained societal taunts of calling people gay. I am incredibly lucky in that regard. But when people say they "don't mind gays, they just don't want it shoved in their faces", that is homophobia. It's saying that we don't have a right to show affection for the people we love in public. But it's ok for straight people because that's "normal". Pride is important, because we are here, we are queer, and the rest of you need to ****ing get used to it. People ask why there's no straight pride. You know why? Because straight pride is the entire rest of the year. Why is there a Black History Month but no White History Month? Because White History Month is the entire year. Same for women's history. Our society is based around cisgender heterosexual white (Christian) males having the power. Prominent women, ethnic minority or LGBT people disrupt that hegemony, and, whether or not they reason it out quite so fully, that is the cause of misogyny, racism and homophobia - those currently in a position of power feel threatened, and to cling to power they deny the rights of those outside their own group.

So yes, in an ideal world I wouldn't need to proclaim my identity, nor fight for others' right to theirs. But we don't live there, so deal with it.

Word. Post of the week contender here.
 

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Spoken like someone who doesn't experience discrimination just for being who they are.

In an ideal world, sure, there'd be no need to define yourself as gay or straight, because we could all hit on each other and just say "no thankyou" if we don't like the person hitting on us. Unfortunately because there are people out there who would react to being hit on by hitting back, because there are people who advocate discrimination, violence and even murder because we don't meet their standards for humanity, it is necessary for some of us to hide, and for the rest of us to stand up and be counted - to say we are human, and just as deserving of the rights of liberty and freedom as a straight person. Violence for being yourself - being gay, being black, being a woman - is not something which we have eradicated, it happens every single day. In Chechnya they are murdering people for being gay, in Africa people are murdered for being gay. In America, people are murdered for being gay. Not last century, in 2017.

I'm white, male, cisgender, and I pass for straight. I have a family who accept me for who I love, and who accept that my girlfriend was not always a girl. I have never personally experienced direct homophobia, merely the ingrained societal taunts of calling people gay. I am incredibly lucky in that regard. But when people say they "don't mind gays, they just don't want it shoved in their faces", that is homophobia. It's saying that we don't have a right to show affection for the people we love in public. But it's ok for straight people because that's "normal". Pride is important, because we are here, we are queer, and the rest of you need to ****ing get used to it. People ask why there's no straight pride. You know why? Because straight pride is the entire rest of the year. Why is there a Black History Month but no White History Month? Because White History Month is the entire year. Same for women's history. Our society is based around cisgender heterosexual white (Christian) males having the power. Prominent women, ethnic minority or LGBT people disrupt that hegemony, and, whether or not they reason it out quite so fully, that is the cause of misogyny, racism and homophobia - those currently in a position of power feel threatened, and to cling to power they deny the rights of those outside their own group.

So yes, in an ideal world I wouldn't need to proclaim my identity, nor fight for others' right to theirs. But we don't live there, so deal with it.

Candidate for Post of The Week, this is. Nail hit firmly on the head...
 

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Just me who thinks all of this is needless and, frankly, a bit silly, then? Who cares what you are, self-interested parties trying to encourage us to brand ourselves with as many labels as possible do very little of any use, frankly. The human race is what it is, no matter how many meaningless brandings we might introduce. That people feel the need to advertise 'what' they are is very sad, and that some factions seem to have entered into an acronym arms race is sadder still. Go and be happy for heaven's sake...

absolutely correct. Treat people as you find. There seems to be a great deal of needyness associated with many of these lablels.

BTW - i am a fairly broadminded man and have experienced many things. However i have no idea what half of these labels mean.

Our society is based around cisgender heterosexual white (Christian) males having the power. Prominent women, ethnic minority or LGBT people disrupt that hegemony, and, whether or not they reason it out quite so fully, that is the cause of misogyny, racism and homophobia - those currently in a position of power feel threatened, and to cling to power they deny the rights of those outside their own group.

So yes, in an ideal world I wouldn't need to proclaim my identity, nor fight for others' right to theirs. But we don't live there, so deal with it.

I am sorry but I cant agree with that. I am not a racist or homophobe and I fall into that heavily labelled oppressive group. Which rights do I enjoy that a gay person doesn't? Which rights do I, as an oppressive evil white straight man, hold that a woman doesn't or a trans person doesn't? Last time I checked the PM was a woman. Ireland (!) have a gay Taoiseach. There are 30+ openly gay MP's etc

That isnt to say that there are not people with abhornet views who seek to attack people in the LGBT sphere. There are and they need sorting out. But idiots will always exist and will always find someone to attack. That isnt because of some mythical cisgender heterosexual white (Christian) misogyny, racism and/or homophobia - it is because they are idiots.

BTW - Cisgender? I haven't heard that definition before.
 
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Spoken like someone who doesn't experience discrimination just for being who they are.

In an ideal world, sure, there'd be no need to define yourself as gay or straight, because we could all hit on each other and just say "no thankyou" if we don't like the person hitting on us. Unfortunately because there are people out there who would react to being hit on by hitting back, because there are people who advocate discrimination, violence and even murder because we don't meet their standards for humanity, it is necessary for some of us to hide, and for the rest of us to stand up and be counted - to say we are human, and just as deserving of the rights of liberty and freedom as a straight person. Violence for being yourself - being gay, being black, being a woman - is not something which we have eradicated, it happens every single day. In Chechnya they are murdering people for being gay, in Africa people are murdered for being gay. In America, people are murdered for being gay. Not last century, in 2017.

I'm white, male, cisgender, and I pass for straight. I have a family who accept me for who I love, and who accept that my girlfriend was not always a girl. I have never personally experienced direct homophobia, merely the ingrained societal taunts of calling people gay. I am incredibly lucky in that regard. But when people say they "don't mind gays, they just don't want it shoved in their faces", that is homophobia. It's saying that we don't have a right to show affection for the people we love in public. But it's ok for straight people because that's "normal". Pride is important, because we are here, we are queer, and the rest of you need to ****ing get used to it. People ask why there's no straight pride. You know why? Because straight pride is the entire rest of the year. Why is there a Black History Month but no White History Month? Because White History Month is the entire year. Same for women's history. Our society is based around cisgender heterosexual white (Christian) males having the power. Prominent women, ethnic minority or LGBT people disrupt that hegemony, and, whether or not they reason it out quite so fully, that is the cause of misogyny, racism and homophobia - those currently in a position of power feel threatened, and to cling to power they deny the rights of those outside their own group.

So yes, in an ideal world I wouldn't need to proclaim my identity, nor fight for others' right to theirs. But we don't live there, so deal with it.

The enlightenment of attitudes towards the gay community was long overdue for many, many years, and very few rightminded people would argue otherwise. But 'demisexual', 'cisexual', what on earth?! One can be gay, straight, bisexual.... Beyond that, I'm sorry but very few people need the enhanced degree of personal information that some of these 'titles' appear to be all about. If you want to identify as something different to what your DNA says that you are, then that's entirely up to you. It doesn't require a 'title', as far as I'm concerned.
 

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BTW - Cisgender? I haven't heard that definition before.

From Wikipedia:

Cisgender (often abbreviated to simply cis) is a term for people whose gender identity matches the sex that they were assigned at birth. Cisgender may also be defined as those who have "a gender identity or perform a gender role society considers appropriate for one's sex". It is the opposite of the term transgender.

It was a term that I was quite unfamiliar with myself until fairly recently.
 

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My personal opinion this is that yes people can be Bi, gay or straight and they can have preferences for certain people, sex or persuasion but this move towards labelling everything is having the opposite affect that marginalised people want it to have.

For example why do I need to know if you enjoy sex or not. That is between you and who your partner or who ever else you choose to have relations with.

As far as gender is concerned I think that again labels are ridiculous and confusing which causes resentment and not acceptance that minorities need. I don't think anybody actually perfectly fits gender stereotypes anyway so in that case nobody is cisgender. For example i might act more traditionally masculine with some friends (drink beer, watch football) but then with other friends I act more feminine. Doesn't mean I have changed as a person though, I simply act different in different situations.
 

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Spoken like someone who doesn't experience discrimination just for being who they are.

In an ideal world, sure, there'd be no need to define yourself as gay or straight, because we could all hit on each other and just say "no thankyou" if we don't like the person hitting on us. Unfortunately because there are people out there who would react to being hit on by hitting back, because there are people who advocate discrimination, violence and even murder because we don't meet their standards for humanity, it is necessary for some of us to hide, and for the rest of us to stand up and be counted - to say we are human, and just as deserving of the rights of liberty and freedom as a straight person. Violence for being yourself - being gay, being black, being a woman - is not something which we have eradicated, it happens every single day. In Chechnya they are murdering people for being gay, in Africa people are murdered for being gay. In America, people are murdered for being gay. Not last century, in 2017.

I'm white, male, cisgender, and I pass for straight. I have a family who accept me for who I love, and who accept that my girlfriend was not always a girl. I have never personally experienced direct homophobia, merely the ingrained societal taunts of calling people gay. I am incredibly lucky in that regard. But when people say they "don't mind gays, they just don't want it shoved in their faces", that is homophobia. It's saying that we don't have a right to show affection for the people we love in public. But it's ok for straight people because that's "normal". Pride is important, because we are here, we are queer, and the rest of you need to ****ing get used to it. People ask why there's no straight pride. You know why? Because straight pride is the entire rest of the year. Why is there a Black History Month but no White History Month? Because White History Month is the entire year. Same for women's history. Our society is based around cisgender heterosexual white (Christian) males having the power. Prominent women, ethnic minority or LGBT people disrupt that hegemony, and, whether or not they reason it out quite so fully, that is the cause of misogyny, racism and homophobia - those currently in a position of power feel threatened, and to cling to power they deny the rights of those outside their own group.

So yes, in an ideal world I wouldn't need to proclaim my identity, nor fight for others' right to theirs. But we don't live there, so deal with it.

I completely agree with this, excellent post.
 

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I am sorry but I cant agree with that. I am not a racist or homophobe and I fall into that heavily labelled oppressive group. Which rights do I enjoy that a gay person doesn't? Which rights do I, as an oppressive evil white straight man, hold that a woman doesn't or a trans person doesn't? Last time I checked the PM was a woman. Ireland (!) have a gay Taoiseach. There are 30+ openly gay MP's etc

Legally, few if any. Practically however, you have the right to walk down the street and not be seen as a sex object, a terrorist, or a threat to children's safety. You can walk around after dark in relative safety, knowing that you're unlikely to get raped or assaulted. You get to be who you are without people trying to "fix" you, or claiming you're just in denial. You know that if you talk to an authority figure they will help you, not kill you. You get to live your life without worrying too much what others think of you. You get to be blind to the difficulties that others face.

Yes, the PM is a woman, Ireland has a gay (I think ethnic minority) Taoiseach, and those are great things on a representational basis. The US had a black president. Then they elected a misogynistic racist to follow him. In France the Nazi candidate got 25% of the presidential vote. In Austria it was 45%. On a daily basis, May and Obama have to put up with vitriol that no white male politician experiences. Obama had to go through ten years of people refusing to believe that he was actually eligible to be president, of people claiming he was Muslim, of repeated racist attacks. May, Thatcher, Hillary Clinton, have to put up with interminable articles about how they dress, whether they smile enough, whether they are too feminine or not feminine enough. They get questions of who looks after the children, which would never be asked of a male politician.

Women make up around 52% of the population but, as of 2010, only 22% of MPs were women. 13% of people living in the UK are of ethnic minorities, but in 2010 only 4% of MPs were. The numbers are similar for directors of FTSE companies. Women, accounting for age, profession and experience, earn roughly 15% less than men, across the board. People of colour also generally earn less than white people.

You may not have any extra rights, but you sure as hell have privilege.


That isnt to say that there are not people with abhornet views who seek to attack people in the LGBT sphere. There are and they need sorting out. But idiots will always exist and will always find someone to attack. That isnt because of some mythical cisgender heterosexual white (Christian) misogyny, racism and/or homophobia - it is because they are idiots.

Oh, I'm not arguing they aren't idiots, but that position of power is where it all comes from. They feel they are entitled to lord it over other people, because that's how it used to be. The man used to be the boss of the household, as was laid down by god. The white man was the superior race, as was laid down by god. Those who are gay are an abomination and should be stoned to death, as was laid down by god. And so through the years society followed those structures, and now it's breaking down. People are angry over something, and that is a convenient way to lord it over someone.



My personal opinion this is that yes people can be Bi, gay or straight and they can have preferences for certain people, sex or persuasion but this move towards labelling everything is having the opposite affect that marginalised people want it to have.

For example why do I need to know if you enjoy sex or not. That is between you and who your partner or who ever else you choose to have relations with.

As far as gender is concerned I think that again labels are ridiculous and confusing which causes resentment and not acceptance that minorities need. I don't think anybody actually perfectly fits gender stereotypes anyway so in that case nobody is cisgender. For example i might act more traditionally masculine with some friends (drink beer, watch football) but then with other friends I act more feminine. Doesn't mean I have changed as a person though, I simply act different in different situations.

Cisgender means that your gender identity is the same as your sex. People can act differently in different situations sure, but for trans people it's more than that. It's a deep belief that the body they were born into is just wrong. It's not about gender stereotypes- one can be a hyper-"masculine" personality but be a woman, or vice versa.

You're right, I don't need to know that you enjoy sex. But nor should I prevent you from sharing your desires if you wish to. People everywhere talk about who they love, who they fancy. LGBT people are no different in that. If you love someone you want to shout it from the rooftops. It doesn't matter who that person is. We want to be able to say who we love without encountering prejudice because that relationship isn't heterosexual.
 
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In an ideal world, sure, there'd be no need to define yourself as gay or straight, because we could all hit on each other and just say "no thankyou" if we don't like the person hitting on us.

I think that's probably unrealistic and counter to human nature. People generally need labels to characterise behaviour and preferences into broad categories because that's the only way our brains can make any sense of the trillions of pieces of information they have to process every day. So people being able to label themselves as 'gay' or 'straight' and so on will probably continue as long as the human race exists - in exactly the same way that people will label themselves as 'British' or 'Londoners' or 'Arsenal supporters' or 'computer programmers' or 'geeks' or 'runners' or 'trekkies' and so on.

What's probably more true is that in an ideal world it would be universally recognised that whatever a person's sexuality is has no bearing on how that person should be treated or on their value as a human being.

(As one obvious example of where labels such as 'gay', 'bi' or 'straight' are necessary: Just imagine how - for example - a dating website could possibly work effectively if people weren't able to show that information on their profiles, and the site wasn't able to use that information in selecting possible matches - you'd end up with no-one knowing which of the people on the site are worth approaching!)
 
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Even ginger hair nowadays. I may have been misunderstood in the past but I'm not prejudiced against gender matters but wonder why the fuss as it is now has only fairly recently started on the present scale or did people just suffer in silence.

People suffered in silence. As society has advanced, our rights and notion of fairness has disintegrated.

When was the last time you heard a heterosexual white male vindicated for his natural eye or hair colour? Now think about the last time you heard a white, homosexual male vindicated for something just as natural?

This inequality continues even into healthcare. Men who have sex with men (MSM) have a higher probability of developing anal cancer, pencile cancer and throat cancer, the latter of which I'm not sure about statistics amongst different populations. However, even though this was known, the HPV vaccination is still not widespread in it's offering to the homosexual population. Related to that, there is only one anal cancer visualisation and treatment service in London. A man called Dr Mayura Nathan, who strangely is also at the Homerton, even admits this stating that cancer prevention, visualisation and detection systems are so much more advanced for other cancer types, but not so for anal cancers. Men are being caught out too late with changes when symptoms start to occur. What has been shown to reduce the impact and prevalence of anal cancer in MSM? HPV vaccination. There are studies beginning to start across the UK, but not all of them are government or NHS funded... Most of the funding comes from charities and organisations dealing with this population.

So, the fuss is because as society has advanced, there are some groups of people who are becoming more marginalised, not only through disrimination, but implied discrimination.
 

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My personal opinion this is that yes people can be Bi, gay or straight and they can have preferences for certain people, sex or persuasion but this move towards labelling everything is having the opposite affect that marginalised people want it to have.

For example why do I need to know if you enjoy sex or not. That is between you and who your partner or who ever else you choose to have relations with.

As far as gender is concerned I think that again labels are ridiculous and confusing which causes resentment and not acceptance that minorities need. I don't think anybody actually perfectly fits gender stereotypes anyway so in that case nobody is cisgender. For example i might act more traditionally masculine with some friends (drink beer, watch football) but then with other friends I act more feminine. Doesn't mean I have changed as a person though, I simply act different in different situations.

This is an interesting point: I'd argue that viewing things as "masculine" or "feminine" contributes to the issues many who "go against the norm*" encounter when it comes to how we feel when out in the world. The idea of being "othered".

*particularly in relation to sexuality/gender identity, but not exclusively so.
 

Bayum

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This is an interesting point: I'd argue that viewing things as "masculine" or "feminine" contributes to the issues many who "go against the norm*" encounter when it comes to how we feel when out in the world. The idea of being "othered".

*particularly in relation to sexuality/gender identity, but not exclusively so.

You need to look on Grindr. The number of gay men who discriminate against others: 'Masc4masc', 'no Gaysians', 'Muscular only', 'No fems' are just some of the commonly thrown insults.
 

alxndr

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(As one obvious example of where labels such as 'gay', 'bi' or 'straight' are necessary: Just imagine how - for example - a dating website could possibly work effectively if people weren't able to show that information on their profiles, and the site wasn't able to use that information in selecting possible matches - you'd end up with no-one knowing which of the people on the site are worth approaching!)

A simple solution to that would be:

Are you interested in:
□ Men
□ Women
□ Other​

Personally, I feel that's a better way of going about it. Less emphasis on same sex/opposite sex attraction and more about who you actually like.
 
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