General Election 2017: The Results and Aftermath

[backontrack]

Hammond, Rudd, Johnson, Davis and Fallon will all retain their posts.

I wonder what the odds were on Canterbury going red.

 

[Butts]

I have to admit I'm a bit surprised by your staunch defence of May here. She has forfeited a workable majority for a minority Government propped up by the DUP of all parties. Based on the fact she didn't have to call this election and it was purely opportunism on her part, it's a complete failure however you look at it. Her campaign was diabolical, refusing to be scrutinised wherever she could. Putting risky policies in because the polls were unassailable. How can you possibly defend her so staunchly? Even her own supporters in the Tory party have said she won't last and this election has been terrible for the party. (And remember May decided to call it!!)

Despite your accurate (to a degree) observations and however unpalatable it is for you to digest she still emerged as leader of the largest Party in terms of seats and votes

If Labour was trying to cobble together a Coalition would you be equally critical ?

 

[backontrack]

Err when did Kensington declare?

Not yet officially, but various sources have declared that they've won the seat.

 

[Qwerty133]

I don't get how people think Corbyn can go on. He will be 78 at the end of the next parliament if they both last 5 years as they should and very few people would feel comfortable having a prime minister of that age. Additionally by resigning now he would have the chance to ensure a younger person from his side of the party took over rather than a Blarite as would probably be the case if the leadership election was in 4 years time.

 

[roversfan2001]

Can I just point out that the Independent candidate in Blackburn, Duncan Miller, whose only purpose in this election was to bring the plight of Blackburn Rovers FC to the general public, got more votes than the Lib Dem candidate...

 

[northwichcat]

It is said that a reduction in the number of Members of Parliament will soon be the case, but has any official date been set for this to be enacted?

The proposal hasn't been put to a vote in parliament yet. It was supposed to be done next year in time for a 2020 election, having been put back from being done in 2013 for the 2015 election, so May's decision to call an early election will probably have put it 7 years behind the original schedule.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Since you ask, Labour won twelve seats, but the SNP and Labour parties are both left-wing. The Tories are right-wing. Although all right-wing voters and all Brexit voters will have gone to the Tories, left-wing voters will have been split between the SNP (nationalists), Labour (unionists), and Lib Dems (remainists).-,

The BBC say that Labour only won a total of seven seats (1 held/6 gain) in Scotland.

Where are the other five seats that you say make a total of twelve?

 

[Seacook]

It is said that a reduction in the number of Members of Parliament will soon be the case, but has any official date been set for this to be enacted?

The proposals for the boundary changes are due to be submitted in September 2018. Then they will need to be accepted and passed into law, probably in 2019. If there is another General Election in the next 15 months they will definitely not be in effect. The number of seats will be reduced by 50 to 600.

 

[Butts]

I noticed seeing a few of the results being announced on the news channel that in Scotland they always seemed to say "The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party", yet in England they are just Conservative.

It's a historical thing - Unionist Party merged with Conservatives in England and Wales in 1965. Go back further and you will find Liberals involved as well.

Believe it or not Bonar Law who was Unionist Member for Glasgow Central was Prime Minister and leader of the Conservative party in day's gone by. The Unionists used to take the Tory Whip in the Commons.

 

[northwichcat]

Can I just point out that the Independent candidate in Blackburn, Duncan Miller, whose only purpose in this election was to bring the plight of Blackburn Rovers FC to the general public, got more votes than the Lib Dem candidate...

I notice your Lib Dem candidate was Irfan Ahmed. In past elections Imtiaz Ameen (Conservative), Imtiaz Patel (Lib Dem) got significantly less votes than their parties normally get. There seems to be a trend of not voting for your usual party if their candidate has a name of Asian origin in Blackburn. If that's the case it's not hilarious, it's a very sad state of affairs.

 

[Butts]

I don't get how people think Corbyn can go on. He will be 78 at the end of the next parliament if they both last 5 years as they should and very few people would feel comfortable having a prime minister of that age. Additionally by resigning now he would have the chance to ensure a younger person from his side of the party took over rather than a Blarite as would probably be the case if the leadership election was in 4 years time.

Hey we could have Ken V Jeremy - the battle of the pensioners

 

[backontrack]

Can I just point out that the Independent candidate in Blackburn, Duncan Miller, whose only purpose in this election was to bring the plight of Blackburn Rovers FC to the general public, got more votes than the Lib Dem candidate...

That's brilliant!

 

[Butts]

Can I just point out that the Independent candidate in Blackburn, Duncan Miller, whose only purpose in this election was to bring the plight of Blackburn Rovers FC to the general public, got more votes than the Lib Dem candidate...

The Lib Dem's must have lost a few bob in deposits over the night

 

[backontrack]

The BBC say that Labour only won a total of seven seats (1 held/6 gain) in Scotland.

Where are the other five seats that you say make a total of twelve?

I meant seven. I got three hours' sleep last night.

 

[507021]

I meant seven. I got three hours' sleep last night.

I'm not surprised you're tired, you did a sterling job keeping the thread up to date.

 

[roversfan2001]

I notice your Lib Dem candidate was Irfan Ahmed. In past elections Imtiaz Ameen (Conservative), Imtiaz Patel (Lib Dem) got significantly less votes than their parties normally get. There seems to be a trend of not voting for your usual party if their candidate has a name of Asian origin in Blackburn. If that's the case it's not hilarious, it's a very sad state of affairs.

I don't live in the Blackburn constituency (some bright spark in 2010 thought some of urban South Ribble belonged in the mostly rural Ribble Valley for some reason) but I agree it does appear that way - which is strange as a large portion of the Blackburn demographic is of Asian descent.

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[me123]

The odds from Ladbrokes tonight:

TM to be PM on 1st of July looks pretty comfortable: 1/16. They appear to have a degree of confidence in her being able to get at least her first Queen's Speech through. Boris 10/1, Corbyn 12/1.
But the odds are still on another GE this year - 11/8. 5/1 for 2018, just 9/4 that she'll make it to 2022.
BoJo 3/1 to take over from Theresa.
Farage leading the odds in terms of next UKIP leader - 5/4 odds.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Where are Boris Johnson, David Davis and Philip Hammond hiding?

It has been announced that there will be no changes made to any of the top five senior Conservative Party cabinet posts, so that is one mode of stability achieved.

 

[A Challenge]

What are the times the latest times the last seats have been declared at before, and where and why?

 

[roversfan2001]

The Lib Dem's must have lost a few bob in deposits over the night

They don't even know the constituency boundaries so I'm not surprised! (Their South Ribble candidate doesn't at least).

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[Butts]

Whilst Plaid Cymru gained a seat off LD, they came perilously close to losing their supposedly safe seat in Arfon (my constituency) where Mary Griffiths Clarke only lost by 92 votes with a 10% increase. Plaid Cymru were very arrogantly complacent, feeling that someone whose address was in Streatham (altho' originally from the area) would have no chance.

Leanne Wood seems to be suffering "delusions of grandeur" - to much TV exposure ?

I have just heard her on the radio describing the Tory/Dup deal as "Thatcher on Steroids" and saying she would be willing to "deal with any other party" to prevent this.

She's not even an MP (bottled it ?) perhaps she would be better devoting a little more time as to why Plaid failed to advance far in Wales. Even the DUP have twice as many seats as her never mind the Tories having 300 odd more.

 

[GusB]

Don't believe what ME123 and GUSB tell you - there is a large latent rural Scottish Conservative leaning electorate crying out for a moderate Conservative Admimistration they can back. As there probably is in the rest of the UK as well.

I am under no illusion that there is an underlying Tory vote, especially being resident in one of the constituencies that fell last night. My vote goes to SNP tactically precisely for this reason, unless there is the rare occasion when I do actually get to vote for my preferred party (Green).

I think the only time I've ever voted Labour was in 1997, and they took second place here in that election. The rest of the time the Conservatives have been there in the background.

However, I will admit that I didn't expect quite what happened last night. I thought that the SNP majorities would be slimmed down a bit. I'm disappointed that the Tories picked up the extra seats, but the electorate spoke and that's that.

 

[A Challenge]

They don't even know the constituency boundaries so I'm not surprised! (Their South Ribble candidate doesn't at least).

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Leyland (your listed location) is in South Ribble?

 

[roversfan2001]

Leyland (your listed location) is in South Ribble?

Not my address it's not. Stupid I know.

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[Butts]

I am under no illusion that there is an underlying Tory vote, especially being resident in one of the constituencies that fell last night. My vote goes to SNP tactically precisely for this reason, unless there is the rare occasion when I do actually get to vote for my preferred party (Green).

I think the only time I've ever voted Labour was in 1997, and they took second place here in that election. The rest of the time the Conservatives have been there in the background.

However, I will admit that I didn't expect quite what happened last night. I thought that the SNP majorities would be slimmed down a bit. I'm disappointed that the Tories picked up the extra seats, but the electorate spoke and that's that.

You were the closest Scotland got to a Brexit Vote as well.

Apart from Caroline in Brighton the Greens had a bit of a duff night

Is there any truth in the rumour Blind Traveller is replacing John Curtice as BBC's top "pollmaster" due to the accuracy of his Scottish Seats Forecast

 

[NorthernSpirit]

I don't get how people think Corbyn can go on. He will be 78 at the end of the next parliament if they both last 5 years as they should and very few people would feel comfortable having a prime minister of that age.

Nah, I think Corbyn should keep going until he keels over (hopefully on the front bench during PMQ's), blimey even former miner and Brexiteer Dennis Skinner is still clinging on as his age.

 

[A Challenge]

Not my address it's not. Stupid I know.

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Makes it understandable, it is close then!

 

[Chester1]

There seems to be a presumption in the media that the DUP will get whatever they want. While the DUP clearly have significant leverage they can't risk Corbyn becoming Prime Minister because it would make a United Ireland referendum much more likely as he supports one in principle. While the Unionist would likely win, it would cause even more division and is a risk. I bet they get some infrastructure spending but nothing that will cause real anger in England. The Tories can only lose an election while the DUP would be risking Northern Ireland being part of the UK. Its in their interests to try to make this parliament last 5 years, have a steady flow of small bribes and guarentee no border referendum.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

...no border referendum.

This is likely to be a huge deal in the Brexit negotiations. It is an absolutely massive issue that neither side properly addressed during the referendum - an open free movement border that could end up being thrown shut and requiring border posts and guards all over again (which is going to eat even more into the magic money-tree £350 million that Boris owes us all!)

So the DUP will certainly want to keep on good terms with the Tories so they can have a say in this.

 

[bnm]

The last time a UK government required propping up by minor parties, including Northern Irish MPs, was 1976-1979 under Labour with James Callaghan as PM. Three years of chaos that brought the country to its knees.

If Theresa May attempts to carry on regardless for a full term propped up by the terrorist sympathising, homophobic, creationist believing, climate change denying DUP, then I predict similar chaos.

The price the DUP will want to extract for supporting Theresa May is not a price worth paying. The only beneficiaries will be the people of Northern Ireland, at the expense of the rest of the UK. If the Conservatives plough on you can expect back room deals, extreme whipping, and unpalatable compromises. All bad for democracy and bad for the country as a whole.

Theresa May and the Conservatives may have gained the most seats and won the popular vote but she and they have been seriously wounded. Particularly when it comes to Brexit negotiations. They aren't going to go well for her, or the UK.

The Queen's Speech will probably go through but I suspect we will face a summer of tumultuous politics, even in recess.

Strong and stable it most certainly won't be.