General Election 2017: The Results and Aftermath

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Given only the other day you were telling us all the good points of a First Past The Post system, perhaps you'd also like to accept the consequences as well?

Since the First Past the Post delivered far more seats to the Conservative Party than were won by the Labour Party, why on earth do you make references of "consequences"?

The only consequence that I can see was the Conservatives were the largest party in terms of number of seats gained.

 

[backontrack]

Since the First Past the Post delivered far more seats to the Conservative Party than were won by the Labour Party, why on earth do you make references of "consequences"?

The only consequence that I can see was the Conservatives were the largest party in terms of number of seats gained.

What about the consequence that they do not have a majority?

 

[Tetchytyke]

The only consequence that I can see was the Conservatives were the largest party in terms of number of seats gained.

But no majority, so they're being propped up by terrorists.

Still waiting for your condemnation of Theresa May cavorting with terrorists btw.

 

[backontrack]

Rochdale was won by Labour's Tony Lloyd. Simon Danczuk, standing as an independent, only got 883 votes!

 

[DarloRich]

My memory may be faulty but my understanding was that the olive branch was there but the vast number of Labour MP's refused to accept it. It is gratifying to see some of his strongest critics in the party changing their tone. But yes, there has to be some give and take, but also the briefings against him from Central Party organisation needs to stop. The party did seem to unite around a very good manifesto and that must continue.

I think he has won people over. I know I have a different view of him now and he has delivered credibility which i felt was beyond him.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

One good thing to come out of this result is we will spared the sight of "The Red Flag" flying here.....

 

[backontrack]

One good thing to come out of this result is we will spared the sight of "The Red Flag" flying here.....

Only one song comes to mind for Julian Brazier...

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All together now...

WHEN YOU TRY YOUR BEST, BUT YOU DON'T SUCCEED...

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Paul Nutter has resigned. In his speech, he is highly critical of Theresa May calling the election in the first place.

Wouldn't it be easier if UKIP just scheduled an automatic leadership election every 6 months, to save their leaders the bother of having to resign?

 

[backontrack]

Theresa May's going Irish.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

*Father Dougal looking confused*

A mandate? What's that, Ted?

 

[Howardh]

Does anyone mind if I change tack a little?

If anything won last night it was the UNITED Kingdom, phew. Scotland won't be having another Indyref, a "hard" Brexit now appears out of the question - although what an "open" Brexit is (Ruth Davidson) I've no idea (open borders??) but there is one question which needs to be answered...no way will Sinn Fein swear allegiance to the Queen.

But when their opposition is in Parliament being the king-maker....might they not be reassessing their stance?

 

[AlterEgo]

Does anyone mind if I change tack a little?

If anything won last night it was the UNITED Kingdom, phew. Scotland won't be having another Indyref, a "hard" Brexit now appears out of the question - although what an "open" Brexit is (Ruth Davidson) I've no idea (open borders??) but there is one question which needs to be answered...no way will Sinn Fein swear allegiance to the Queen.

But when their opposition is in Parliament being the king-maker....might they not be reassessing their stance?

Nope. Not a chance. They've nothing to gain.

 

[Tetchytyke]

But when their opposition is in Parliament being the king-maker....might they not be reassessing their stance?

Nope, they gain nothing from it.

It is in Sinn Fein's interest for Britain to be pushed towards a Hard Brexit. Many people in Ireland- both the North and the Republic- value the open border and don't want to go back to border guards, closed roads and checkpoints. A Hard Brexit makes it more likely that these things will happen, which will in turn strengthen the demand for separation.

The DUP are gambling the other way- that's why they spent almost £300,000 on campaigning for a Leave vote- but this battle will not be played out in Westminster.

 

[northwichcat]

The DUP are gambling the other way- that's why they spent almost £300,000 on campaigning for a Leave vote- but this battle will not be played out in Westminster.

What do you mean gambling the other way around? Surely you don't mean expecting the Republic to join the UK.

 

[AM9]

Aside from all this talk of the more sinister history of the DUP, (and Sinn Fein), a far bigger problem is that in order for the Good Friday Agreement to be established, and survive, both the UK and Eire governments committed to neutral positions with regard to the (originally) eight political parties in the province. This means no political ties between any UK or Irish executive and any section of the NI political structure.
I can't see any way that Sinn Fein would see a 'help each other' agreement between the May administration and the DUP, (however informal) as anything other than a violation of both the spirit and probably the letter of the Belfast Agreement of 10 April 1998. I would expect the already fractious relationships between the two remaining active parties there (SF & DUP) degenerating into something far more ugly, especially when the DUP starts calling in favours from the UK Government.
I wonder whether a foul will be called before it all hits the fan or whether the DUP's enthusiasm for a closed border will be seen as an almost complete return to the environment that prolonged the troubles.

 

[northwichcat]

This must be why senior Tory MPs aren't allowed to talk publicly to the press at the moment: https://twitter.com/Peston/status/873192710286475266

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I am often accused of being blind to anything perceived wrong with the Conservative Party, so I will willingly concede that the view of Jeremy Corbyn that a total of 262 seats is enough to be able to say that the Labour Party had won the 2017 General Election, it was most remiss of those charged with running the Conservative Party campaign not to have realised that gem of knowledge and declared themselves the winners when they reached that figure and blindly struggled on in the vain hope to reach the total of 326 seats.

On the Football thread on this website, should we have expected Tottenham Hotspur to be declared the winners of the 2017 Premiership league at the expense of Chelsea even though they finished second, quite a few points adrift...

Let us even draw similar conclusions to the ongoing 2017 Formula 1 competition...:roll:

 

[northwichcat]

So even the BBC are saying the DUP's Emma Little-Pengelly is the daughter of a terrorist and her campaign has been backed by loyalist paramilitary organisations.

 

[backontrack]

I am often accused of being blind to anything perceived wrong with the Conservative Party, so I will willingly concede that the view of Jeremy Corbyn that a total of 262 seats is enough to be able to say that the Labour Party had won the 2017 General Election, it was most remiss of those charged with running the Conservative Party campaign not to have realised that gem of knowledge and declared themselves the winners when they reached that figure and blindly struggled on in the vain hope to reach the total of 326 seats.

The Conservatives lost a majority. They threw it away for absolutely no reason. They lost seats. Labour gained seats. You don't seem to be able to understand this. :roll:

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

You still haven't answered our questions on DUP terrorism, so...yeah...I'd argue that you haven't quite fulfilled your 'role' yet.

It is not my fault if you choose to view my posting # 588 with a "Nelson's Bind Eye"....:roll:

 

[AlterEgo]

This must be why senior Tory MPs aren't allowed to talk publicly to the press at the moment: https://twitter.com/Peston/status/873192710286475266

Father of the House knows the score.

 

[Howardh]

The Conservatives lost a majority. They threw it away for absolutely no reason. They lost seats. Labour gained seats. You don't seem to be able to understand this. :roll:

His football analogy is a good one, any football manager losing the same number of games as May lost seats would be invited into he boardroom to agree a statement. Especially as the manager's team started with a 20-point lead and then sold off the keeper, both full backs and the striker without replacing them just because he could.
The Tories have gone from being top with a handsome lead to ending the season just scraping into the playoffs and needing loanees to do that.

 

[96tommy]

I am often accused of being blind to anything perceived wrong with the Conservative Party, so I will willingly concede that the view of Jeremy Corbyn that a total of 262 seats is enough to be able to say that the Labour Party had won the 2017 General Election, it was most remiss of those charged with running the Conservative Party campaign not to have realised that gem of knowledge and declared themselves the winners when they reached that figure and blindly struggled on in the vain hope to reach the total of 326 seats.

On the Football thread on this website, should we have expected Tottenham Hotspur to be declared the winners of the 2017 Premiership league at the expense of Chelsea even though they finished second, quite a few points adrift...

Let us even draw similar conclusions to the ongoing 2017 Formula 1 competition...:roll:

But of I was to ask who had the most successful campaign, then Corbyn is the clear winner. He's run a positive campaign where he has addressed the issues, not just answered every question "it would be worse under them" like the tories have. Even the biggest supporting Conservatives can't be happy with last night's result even if May is still in power.

 

[backontrack]

There's already a petition for a vote of no confidence in the new Conservative/DUP government. They are the real coalition of chaos.

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-ma...m_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

 

[backontrack]

But of I was to ask who had the most successful campaign, then Corbyn is the clear winner. He's run a positive campaign where he has addressed the issues, not just answered every question "it would be worse under them" like the tories have. Even the biggest supporting Conservatives can't be happy with last night's result even if May is still in power.

True. The Tories lost Kensington, Canterbury and Leamington Spa. They nearly lost Hastings, too, after five recounts, so hardly a good result for them overall. If it weren't for Ruth Davidson and Scottish Labour, it would have been curtains for May.

 

[DarloRich]

True. The Tories lost Kensington, Canterbury and Leamington Spa. They nearly lost Hastings, too, after five recounts, so hardly a good result for them overall. If it weren't for Ruth Davidson and Scottish Labour, it would have been curtains for May.

Has Kensington and Chelsea declared?

 

[507021]

Has Kensington and Chelsea declared?

Not yet.

 

[AlterEgo]

His football analogy is a good one, any football manager losing the same number of games as May lost seats would be invited into he boardroom to agree a statement. Especially as the manager's team started with a 20-point lead and then sold off the keeper, both full backs and the striker without replacing them just because he could.
The Tories have gone from being top with a handsome lead to ending the season just scraping into the playoffs and needing loanees to do that.

And not only that, they didn't even have to play the game. May called this election to suit herself and herself only and it's brilliant that it's backfired.

 

[DarloRich]

BTW what is the story with Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East? Thats Loftus, Brotton, Skinningrove, Park End etc. That isnt natural Tory territory! Is it a Brexit back lash? Is it the bourgeoisie of Marton and Nunthrope wot wont it?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Not yet.

Being such a kind soul, I have conceded there and added this to the Labour total which I now say is 262.

 

[SS4]

Of course the real shock of this election is just how the 792,248 more votes that the Tories got over Labour transferred into 57 extra seats. In percentage terms that's 2.4% vote share for 8.77% seat increase.

For comparison under a PR system (top 4 parties only)
Tories: 276
Labour: 260
Lib Dem: 48
SNP: 20

Note how close that is compared to the FPTP result where every vote after second place +1 counts for nothing.