Class 387

[leomartin125]

According to the diagram, it will be a Dellner fitted 57. One trip each way booked to run TWThO.

Runs light engine from the Oak to West Ealing then as ^ previous post ^.

I see, probably a lot easier to do it with an O.O.C. based loco. Must admit, R.O.G. did advertise they would be helping out a lot more with the 387 deliveries to GWR than they actually have done, I have only seen one or two trips to North Pole operated by ROG. Most of the deliveries were done by Freightliner, yet ROG made a big thing about stating their little involvement in their newsletters!

 

[Expression357]

Have 305 and 306 entered service with C2C yet?

Not yet.

Potentially week after next I hear depending on how the local commissioning goes.

 

[43096]

Have 305 and 306 entered service with C2C yet?

Still on commissioning runs from Bletchley I believe. Can't be long until they are delivered, though.

 

[Hattermick]

They did another run to Crewe today. Not sure but they seem to be taking longer to commission than the others !(maybe they had a few problems).

 

[Mordac]

Thanks all, I did wonder because the other four seemed to get in service really quickly, so I thought they'd be in by now, as Hattermick says, maybe there were some problems.

On a related note, does it really make sense to have a subclass made up of 6 units, all of which seems exactly the same as the TL and GWR ones?

 

[AlexNL]

On a related note, does it really make sense to have a subclass made up of 6 units, all of which seems exactly the same as the TL and GWR ones?

Apparently it does, or else Porterbrook wouldn't have placed their speculative order for 20 EMUs in the first place.

 

[Mordac]

Apparently it does, or else Porterbrook wouldn't have placed their speculative order for 20 EMUs in the first place.

I'm not querying whether the units were needed, only whether it makes sense to have them as a separate subclass rather than more 387/1s.

 

[spark001uk]

I passed the West Ealing site the other day and there was some serious concrete pouring going on. So I'm assuming it's not going to be a plain stable then, is it going to have water services etc and CET aprons too?

 

[jopsuk]

Thanks all, I did wonder because the other four seemed to get in service really quickly, so I thought they'd be in by now, as Hattermick says, maybe there were some problems.

On a related note, does it really make sense to have a subclass made up of 6 units, all of which seems exactly the same as the TL and GWR ones?

don't go looking in TOPS for logic.

 

[leomartin125]

As noted on Flickr, GWR Class 387138 and 387139, GWR's 9th and 10th 387 set, was seen on test on the WCML today, apparantly with delivery soon too. I was under the impression that after the first batch of 387's were delivered, it would be a while before GWR received the next batch as it was for the May 2017 introduction to Maidenhead. Has this changed or did I read that wrong?

 

[JN114]

As noted on Flickr, GWR Class 387138 and 387139, GWR's 9th and 10th 387 set, was seen on test on the WCML today, apparantly with delivery soon too. I was under the impression that after the first batch of 387's were delivered, it would be a while before GWR received the next batch as it was for the May 2017 introduction to Maidenhead. Has this changed or did I read that wrong?

I believe it was stated earlier in this thread that deliveries would recommence from December. The existing 8 will need to cycle through Reading TCD shortly for exams; they can only do so much at North Pole. This is the whole purpose of the drag diagrams which are available as required from the new year.

 

[childwallblues]

As noted on Flickr, GWR Class 387138 and 387139, GWR's 9th and 10th 387 set, was seen on test on the WCML today, apparantly with delivery soon too. I was under the impression that after the first batch of 387's were delivered, it would be a while before GWR received the next batch as it was for the May 2017 introduction to Maidenhead. Has this changed or did I read that wrong?

Confirmed that 387139 and 378138 passed through Stafford both ways on the slow lines this afternoon stopping in P4 for a signal check.

 

[Class377/5]

Heard 387140 has left Derby today.

 

[racyrich]

c2c seem to be playing it very safe with their 387s. This morning we came to a sudden halt half way into the platform at West Ham. After nothing happened for 5 minutes the guard made an announcement for the Engineer to please contact the driver.
So they're carrying an engineer around.
We got moving after a few more minutes. The apologies at Fenchurch St only mentioned a passenger taken ill at West Ham, so either that's a lie or the sudden halt was perhaps due to the passcom and the driver wasn't easily able to get things going again.

 

[03_179]

c2c seem to be playing it very safe with their 387s. This morning we came to a sudden halt half way into the platform at West Ham. After nothing happened for 5 minutes the guard made an announcement for the Engineer to please contact the driver.
So they're carrying an engineer around.
We got moving after a few more minutes. The apologies at Fenchurch St only mentioned a passenger taken ill at West Ham, so either that's a lie or the sudden halt was perhaps due to the passcom and the driver wasn't easily able to get things going again.

Any idea what units these were ?

 

[Class377/5]

c2c seem to be playing it very safe with their 387s. This morning we came to a sudden halt half way into the platform at West Ham. After nothing happened for 5 minutes the guard made an announcement for the Engineer to please contact the driver.
So they're carrying an engineer around.
We got moving after a few more minutes. The apologies at Fenchurch St only mentioned a passenger taken ill at West Ham, so either that's a lie or the sudden halt was perhaps due to the passcom and the driver wasn't easily able to get things going again.

Bombardier does provide after sales support with engineers. It did it on Thameslink for 6-9 months after the introduction of the 377/5 on the route. They certainly still have a hand in 377/387 work at depots.

 

[racyrich]

Any idea what units these were ?

No, sorry. I don't pay attention to numbers anymore. Not for the last 37 years in fact!

 

[jopsuk]

Bombardier does provide after sales support with engineers. It did it on Thameslink for 6-9 months after the introduction of the 377/5 on the route. They certainly still have a hand in 377/387 work at depots.

I think they had engineers out and about on the 379s for over sixth months after full introduction. Used to see them looking in on coupling up at Cambridge of a morning. Easily identifiable with their branded fleece and hi-viz bags.

 

[spark001uk]

I passed the West Ealing site the other day and there was some serious concrete pouring going on. So I'm assuming it's not going to be a plain stable then, is it going to have water services etc and CET aprons too?

 

[Expression357]

c2c seem to be playing it very safe with their 387s. This morning we came to a sudden halt half way into the platform at West Ham. After nothing happened for 5 minutes the guard made an announcement for the Engineer to please contact the driver.
So they're carrying an engineer around.
We got moving after a few more minutes. The apologies at Fenchurch St only mentioned a passenger taken ill at West Ham, so either that's a lie or the sudden halt was perhaps due to the passcom and the driver wasn't easily able to get things going again.

Delay was due to a passcom activation due to an ill passenger, however the train came to a stand over the AWS magnet, so the driver went back to reset the passcom, whilst the fitter isolated the AWS.


Units of course were 387301, 387302 and 387303.

 

[samuelmorris]

Any idea what units these were ?

387301/302/303 - I was aboard the latter, interesting to see another forum user also on this service Not all that impressed with how the situation was handled tbh, when you come to an abrupt stop and hear staff messages over the PA I really think it's common courtesy for the passengers to be informed what was going on at least after the incident had cleared, and not leave it to a station announcement at the terminus or the twitter feed to find out.


Edit: damn beaten to it.
No sign of 387304 on that service lately, surely it isn't working solo is it?

 

[FGW_DID]

I see, probably a lot easier to do it with an O.O.C. based loco. Must admit, R.O.G. did advertise they would be helping out a lot more with the 387 deliveries to GWR than they actually have done, I have only seen one or two trips to North Pole operated by ROG. Most of the deliveries were done by Freightliner, yet ROG made a big thing about stating their little involvement in their newsletters!

There is a 387 maintenance move booked for this Tuesday coming (13th):

North Pole - Reading TCD (via Paddington)

387s will move ECS to Paddington, then will be loco hauled to Reading.

The move is ROG operated (2x Class 37).

Due out of Paddington sometime after midday.

 

[Starmill]

Can anyone tell me if the GW / c2c 387 work is still Monday - Friday only? Thanks.

 

[leomartin125]

There is a 387 maintenance move booked for this Tuesday coming (13th):

North Pole - Reading TCD (via Paddington)

387s will move ECS to Paddington, then will be loco hauled to Reading.

The move is ROG operated (2x Class 37).

Due out of Paddington sometime after midday.

Wouldn't it be better to use the purpose built Royal Oak sidings to couple the locomotive up, thus not using a potentially free platform at Paddington? I've spent a week in Paddington control and that terminus has no room for random loco movements in the platforms...

 

[221129]

There is a 387 maintenance move booked for this Tuesday coming (13th):

North Pole - Reading TCD (via Paddington)

387s will move ECS to Paddington, then will be loco hauled to Reading.

The move is ROG operated (2x Class 37).

Due out of Paddington sometime after midday.

Wonder why ROG are doing it hen GWR have long term hired in 2 57/3s for this purpose...?

 

[leomartin125]

Wonder why ROG are doing it hen GWR have long term hired in 2 57/3s for this purpose...?

ROG always had the contract for the 387 moves, that was never with GWR. It was delivery and maintenance purposes, we would get ROG to take the sets back and forth. No idea why we can't do it ourselves though, probably because all 57 comp drivers are busy doing HSS rounds during the day, and it's easier to let a company do it for you.

 

[JN114]

Wouldn't it be better to use the purpose built Royal Oak sidings to couple the locomotive up, thus not using a potentially free platform at Paddington? I've spent a week in Paddington control and that terminus has no room for random loco movements in the platforms...

Of course a lack of OHLE in Royal Oak sidings would have no bearing on this decision making process...

 

[swt_passenger]

Of course a lack of OHLE in Royal Oak sidings would have no bearing on this decision making process...

I'd suspect that any use of Paddington is only likely to be temporary - it would surely be far more practical to haul the 387s to and from the new West Ealing stabling point?

(Possibly a big assumption here being the provision of a direct western access...)

 

[JN114]

ROG always had the contract for the 387 moves, that was never with GWR. It was delivery and maintenance purposes, we would get ROG to take the sets back and forth. No idea why we can't do it ourselves though, probably because all 57 comp drivers are busy doing HSS rounds during the day, and it's easier to let a company do it for you.

GWR have leased a 57/3 specifically for the purpose of dragging 387s around - both booked drags and thunderbird duties. The only reason it has not yet been used is staff aren't yet trained on how to couple the 57/3 to a 387. The exact commercial arrangements between GWR and ROG are commercially sensitive; but given the expense of acquiring an additional 57 then restricting it to London area duties - it's a pretty safe bet the current arrangements with ROG are not permanent.
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I'd suspect that any use of Paddington is only likely to be temporary - it would surely be far more practical to haul the 387s to and from the new West Ealing stabling point?

(Possibly a big assumption here being the provision of a direct western access...)

You're correct - the base diagrams actually have the attachment taking place at West Ealing Loop. As the sidings there are not finished (or indeed wired!) other arrangements have been made.

 

[swt_passenger]

You're correct - the base diagrams actually have the attachment taking place at West Ealing Loop. As the sidings there are not finished (or indeed wired!) other arrangements have been made.

Cheers for confirmation of a reasonable guess!