Driver Near Miss ECML

[Elecman]

Near miss incident, Kyle Beck https://www.gov.uk/government/news/near-miss-incident-kyle-beck

Train driver narrowly avoided being struck by express train, near Tollerton, North Yorkshire, 3 August 2016.

FFCCTV image of incident (courtesy of Virgin Trains East Coast)

We have undertaken a preliminary examination into the circumstances surrounding this incident. Having assessed the evidence which has been gathered to date, we have decided not to conduct a full investigation, but to publish a safety digest.

The safety digest will shortly be made available on our website.

Very near miss being investigated by the RAIB. Presumably tea no biscuit interview later?

 

[AlterEgo]

Near miss incident, Kyle Beck https://www.gov.uk/government/news/near-miss-incident-kyle-beck

Very near miss being investigated by the RAIB. Presumably tea no biscuit interview later?

We don't know who - if anyone - is at fault here.

Looks like a very close shave though, blimey. I'd have been breathing in and hugging the train if I were that driver.

 

[Fincra5]

Near miss incident, Kyle Beck https://www.gov.uk/government/news/near-miss-incident-kyle-beck

Very near miss being investigated by the RAIB. Presumably tea no biscuit interview later?

Maybe a miscommunication. Similar to that incident on VTWC a few years ago.

 

[Trackman]

We don't know who - if anyone - is at fault here.

Looks like a very close shave though, blimey. I'd have been breathing in and hugging the train if I were that driver.

Hit the deck! but with split seconds nobody knows what they would do.
Look very scary from both points of view.
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Maybe a miscommunication. Similar to that incident on VTWC a few years ago.

The track workers one? stuff of nightmares.

 

[tsr]

Hit the deck! but with split seconds nobody knows what they would do.
Look very scary from both points of view.
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The track workers one? stuff of nightmares.

Indeed. I know someone who, probably over a decade ago, got caught in a situation almost exactly like this (125ish mph bit of mainline too) but had absolutely nowhere to hide because the height and position of ballast, and damaged underfloor equipment on their own train, meant they had nowhere to even lie down.

They ran to either the end of the train or between the coaches by the gangway (can't remember which) and escaped by a hair's breadth. I believe that one was down to signaller error - but we're all human and there could be so many different reasons for this sort of thing, including crew or signaller miscommunication à la the RED video which you probably refer to.

A very unlikely situation but still very sobering. It still makes me think when on/near the track, even when I'm just walking between trains berthed in sidings - and so it should.

 

[rebmcr]

Looks like a very close shave though, blimey.

I can only see a thumbnail on the page, did there used to be more detail?

 

[DarloRich]

is that the driver down the side of the train with the CCTV still taken from a quickly approaching train in the opposite direction???????????????

 

[ainsworth74]

is that the driver down the side of the train with the CCTV still taken from a quickly approaching train in the opposite direction???????????????

Looks like it! And I believe that bit of ECML is 125mph?!

 

[Harbornite]

Christ, I had assumed that the HST was stationary. That was too close!

 

[edwin_m]

Christ, I had assumed that the HST was stationary. That was too close!

It probably was stationary and it was also close. I'm assuming the driver is examining their own train in the belief that traffic has been stopped on the adjacent line, in which case the train the photo is taken from should not be there. But no doubt we will find out in the fullness of time.

 

[Harbornite]

It probably was stationary and it was also close. I'm assuming the driver is examining their own train in the belief that traffic has been stopped on the adjacent line, in which case the train the photo is taken from should not be there. But no doubt we will find out in the fullness of time.

Ah gotcha.

It will be interesting to see what is said. Not good, but could've been worse.

 

[GB]

It probably was stationary and it was also close. I'm assuming the driver is examining their own train in the belief that traffic has been stopped on the adjacent line, in which case the train the photo is taken from should not be there. But no doubt we will find out in the fullness of time.

You will find that when the digest is out that is exactly what happened. The train was stationary following a fault and the driver believed the down fast and up slow was blocked...it was not.

 

[Scott M]

Looks like a close call! Glad they are ok.

 

[najaB]

A bit of *exceedingly* rough maths. A bit of Google Maps indicates that the OHLE stanchions are about 60m apart. It looks like the stationary train is about 4 stanchions down the track so say 180m. At 125mph (56m/s) that means the driver had just over three seconds to get clear from when this image was recorded.

New pants were required by all.

 

[theironroad]

It probably was stationary and it was also close. I'm assuming the driver is examining their own train in the belief that traffic has been stopped on the adjacent line, in which case the train the photo is taken from should not be there. But no doubt we will find out in the fullness of time.

Well that's what I thought when I saw the pic this morning. The person is too close for that o be a moving train. We'll see for sure when the report/digest comes out.

 

[DarloRich]

Looks like it! And I believe that bit of ECML is 125mph?!

bloody hell!

 

[Clip]

Christ that was close.

Bet he held on to the door handle till his hands were white

 

[ainsworth74]

For the discussion on whether or not 'near miss' is the appropriate term please see this thread. Can we focus on the incident in question on this thread please.

 

[grumblingalong]

Can't wait for the RED on this in about 3 years

 

[snowball]

The RAIB digest is now out:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/kyle-beck-safety-digest

This incident demonstrates the importance of:

• Signallers and drivers repeating back messages so as to reach a clear understanding when communicating safety critical information
• Drivers remaining in their cab, when preparing to examine their train, until they have received positive confirmation that the adjacent line(s) have been blocked to traffic
• Drivers reporting near miss incidents involving people (themselves or others) on or near the line.

 

[johntea]

Sounds like an unfortunate breakdown of communications, hopefully the trainee doesn't feel too guilty as it could quite have easily happened to anyone!

Is voice the only means of communication with a driver? I think pilots and air traffic control can communicate with each other with text these days, I personally like to receive written communication for things even if already confirmed vocally on the phone! Not quite sure how it would work on the railway but we are in 2016 now!

 

[LAX54]

Sounds like an unfortunate breakdown of communications, hopefully the trainee doesn't feel too guilty as it could quite have easily happened to anyone!

Is voice the only means of communication with a driver? I think pilots and air traffic control can communicate with each other with text these days, I personally like to receive written communication for things even if already confirmed vocally on the phone! Not quite sure how it would work on the railway but we are in 2016 now!

Signaller partially fills in a Line Blockage form, but there is no Authority Number, and Train Crew do not have a form to complete either.
GSM-R was to have 'text' messaging, but that was taken away before it was commissioned.

 

[Atishyou]

Signaller partially fills in a Line Blockage form, but there is no Authority Number, and Train Crew do not have a form to complete either.
GSM-R was to have 'text' messaging, but that was taken away before it was commissioned.

Depending on the company operating instructions, some do provide traincrew with forms to fill in for line blockages.

The new sectional appendix for LNE actually does have details of a text message facility for cautioning trains, which must be acknowledged for the signaller to allow the train(s) concerned to proceed.

 

[E&W Lucas]

Depending on the company operating instructions, some do provide traincrew with forms to fill in for line blockages.

The new sectional appendix for LNE actually does have details of a text message facility for cautioning trains, which must be acknowledged for the signaller to allow the train(s) concerned to proceed.

There may not be a form, but it can bee good practice to write down exactly what you've been told in such a situation. Makes you stop and think.

 

[ComUtoR]

The new sectional appendix for LNE actually does have details of a text message facility for cautioning trains, which must be acknowledged for the signaller to allow the train(s) concerned to proceed.

LNE ? I'd be interested to read that Sectional Appendix please.


The only thing that stood out for me is the oncoming train not braking ?

 

[scott118]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

"The driver and the trainee signaller did not reach a clear understanding about stopping trains on the adjacent lines and the driver subsequently alighted from the driving cab of his train, incorrectly believing it was safe to do so."

 

[Groningen]

That picture was taken from the moving train and on the right is standing still. In that orange jacket is so the traindriver. I find it strange that the middle tracks are used.

 

[markindurham]

That picture was taken from the moving train and on the right is standing still. In that orange jacket is so the traindriver. I find it strange that the middle tracks are used.

It's quite common to have the Fast lines inside the Slow lines over here.

 

[Groningen]

It's quite common to have the Fast lines inside the Slow lines over here.

On Youtube i watched London Euston - Northampton where untill Milton Keynes it used the left railwaytracks and than moved 2 to the right to be over taken by a faster train at 42:50. 75 seconds that faster train has dissapeared!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9pye6N7aK0

 

[Deepgreen]

Looks like it! And I believe that bit of ECML is 125mph?!

I read on another site (BBC) that the train was doing 105mph at the time of the photograph. Dispassionate logic says that as long as you're inside the kinematic envelope of the stopped train you will not be hit - split second thinking says; 'panic'! Fortunately, a mixture of both may have saved him here.