UKIP MEP collapses in EU Parliament

[DynamicSpirit]

From the 2011 census :

Rumworth ward in total is around 40% Indian, with some output areas of the borough coming close to 80%.

So what? Aren't peoples votes and opinions supposed to be of equal validity, irrespective of the voters' ethnic origins?

 

[daodao]

Both individuals should be suspended from UKIP at least until nominations close for the leader's post.

 

[jon0844]

Both individuals should be suspended from UKIP at least until nominations close for the leader's post.

There'll be another one in a few weeks!

 

[Darandio]

Mike Hookem denies throwing a punch.......

The UKIP MEP involved in an altercation with Steven Woolfe has said he "categorically did not" throw a punch at his colleague.

Mike Hookem acknowledged he and his colleague had a "scuffle" in the European Parliament but insisted that he did not hit him.

"I am innocent," he told the BBC. "I never threw a punch. I never assaulted him. I will stand my corner."

UKIP's Steven Woolfe will be kept in hospital for a further 48 hours.

Thursday's incident is being investigated by UKIP and the European Parliament, where it has been announced the inquiry will be led by Conservative MEP Sajjad Karim.

There have been varying descriptions of what happened during what UKIP called an "altercation" and Mr Hookem told BBC Radio Humberside only he and Mr Woolfe knew precisely what went on.
'Shocked'

Mr Woolfe, among the favourites to be the party's next leader, collapsed after their exchange and was taken to hospital.

The 49-year old had a precautionary scan which revealed there was no blood clot on his brain although he is to remain under observation for a further 48 hours in Strasbourg "as a precaution".

Mr Hookem said he was "shocked" by the MEP's hospitalisation in the hours following the incident but insisted it had been "blown out of all proportion" by the media.

He said the fracas took place in an "ante room" in the European Parliament following a "heated debate" among a wider group of MEPs as they questioned Mr Woolfe about reports he had had discussions about joining the Conservatives in recent days.

He said Mr Woolfe had objected to remarks which he made. "He then stood up in front of everybody and said 'if it's that, let's take it outside of the room', I think his words were 'mano a mano'."

"When I walked in he approached me to attack me. He came at me, I defended myself. There were no punches thrown, there was no face slapping, there were no digs, there was nothing," he said.

"It's (what) people in Hull would term 'handbags at dawn'. A bit of a scuffle."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37587814

 

[TheKnightWho]

It's not blown out of proportion if the guy has to go to hospital. If it wasn't a punch what was it?

 

[SS4]

I wouldn't believe Farage if he told me that sky is blue.

 

[Howardh]

It's not blown out of proportion if the guy has to go to hospital. If it wasn't a punch what was it?

I've actually managed to obtain some CCT footage of the incident, UKIP followers might be able to tell me which one was Woolfe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

 

[backontrack]

No it isn't. It's completely...[redacted for length]...seems to make the typical UKIP voter on here.

Once again, agreed. I like the cut of your jib, good Sir.

Yeah, UKIP aren't in the best shape right now. It's like Brexit was a big lad's night out at the pub - and this is the hungover morning after a stag do. The MEPs have overstayed their welcome and slept in the barroom, and have woken drunken and disorderly in the morning...

 

[DarloRich]

I am no fan of the Kippers and while this, on the face of it is very funny, a man was hospitalised in an altercation in a Parliament. That isn't on. These are elected officials behaving like children in the school yard.

Given they didn't actually run there last time, you can't argue whether they're higher or lower there.

UKIP should not be winning in Hartlepooh. It should be rock solid Labour territory. I have said often enough we have lost areas of the North East to UKIP and we will see more of this if something isn't done.

This isn't biased media or the BBC being mean to Corbyn. The Corbyian immigrants welcome here message does not play well with many in the labour northern heartlands. They are angry, worried, scared and feel under attack from off comers. They feel abandoned. I understand that wont play well with the Islington/southern/student/Momentum intelligentsia but it is the truth at least in working class north eastern areas. It is shameful that UKIP are winning there and we need to fight back. Soon.

 

[backontrack]

UKIP should not be winning in Hartlepooh. It should be rock solid Labour territory. I have said often enough we have lost areas of the North East to UKIP and we will see more of this if something isn't done.

This isn't biased media or the BBC being mean to Corbyn. The Corbyian immigrants welcome here message does not play well with many in the labour northern heartlands. They are angry, worried, scared and feel under attack from off comers. They feel abandoned. I understand that wont play well with the Islington/southern/student/Momentum intelligentsia but it is the truth at least in working class north eastern areas. It is shameful that UKIP are winning there and we need to fight back. Soon.

Very well said. I know that there's a 'screw them, we've got enough support in London' feeling in Momentum right now, but the party needs to open its eyes. All four of the shadow great offices of state are now held by London MPs, and this will disenfranchise many people. And it's wrong that we still have to put up with this; there are plenty of northern MPs that deserve to be reached out to. For Labour's leadership to have any credibility, then we need to see and end to the 'Corbyn crowd'; the same bunch of MPs making all the decisions (Corbyn, McDonnell, Thornberry, Abbott). None of these guys give Corbyn any credibility; we need to put the emphasis on Labour as a collective force rather than one where certain members have the power (whatever Len McCluskey may say - who made him such a big player, anyway? He couldn't unite his union (the ironically-named Unite) in backing Bremain, so what's he doing at the Labour Conference shouting down the Deputy Leader whenever he can?), and we need to make sure that the party is balanced. Eagles, Tricketts, Skinners, Alexanders, Coopers - all are a key part of the Labour Party, and all must be respected in their viewpoints so that, together, Labour can pool all its strengths.

As an aside (and not trying to undermine my main point), it beggars belief how many arguments there are on this part of the forum when, when you look deeper, we mostly agree with each other Let's all try to understand each other's points more carefully and not make assumptions about one another, please; together, all our voices make quite a formidable force.

 

[Antman]

I wouldn't believe Farage if he told me that sky is blue.

And what's he got to do with this incident?

 

[SS4]

And what's he got to do with this incident?

UKIP leadership hopeful Steven Woolfe was taken to hospital following an altercation at a meeting of party MEPs, interim leader Nigel Farage has said.
In a statement he said Mr Woolfe had "subsequently collapsed" and his "condition is serious".

In his statement, Mr Farage said: "I deeply regret that following an altercation that took place at a meeting of UKIP MEPs this morning that Steven Woolfe subsequently collapsed and was taken to hospital. His condition is serious."

Mr Farage said on Wednesday he would return as UKIP's interim leader until a fresh election could be held to find Ms James's successor.

She succeeded Mr Farage on 16 September after he resigned following the Brexit vote.

In fairness that one is just context regarding UKIP's leadership

Just in case reading two lines is hard

 

[zuriblue]

6 Oct 2016

Headland & Harbour (Hartlepool) result:
UKIP: 49.2% (+49.2)
LAB: 25.3% (-17.7)
PHF: 15.4% (-20.3)
CON: 4.1% (-14.0)#UKIPGain

Seems to be really hitting UKIP in the polls.

I note that you've just put the percentages. Could that be because the total turnout was just over 1000 hmm?

So in reality you had 500 kippers and 250 Labour with the tories wiped out.

https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/downl...and_harbour_by-election_declaration_of_result (you have to download the PDF)

 

[bb21]

Locked. Will deal with when I get home.
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No more bickering please, or personal attacks against a fellow forum member.

 

[contrex]

I was intrigued recently to read that in early May (before the referendum), when the polls were forecasting a result 52% Remain, 48% Leave, Nigel Farage said that such a close result would not be democratically acceptable and there should be a second referendum! I have been waiting for him to call for this, but he seems to have gone quiet. Too busy writing speeches for Trump?

 

[Harbornite]

This is idioic behaviour. No one should be physically attacked for their political beliefs.

 

[Antman]

I was intrigued recently to read that in early May (before the referendum), when the polls were forecasting a result 52% Remain, 48% Leave, Nigel Farage said that such a close result would not be democratically acceptable and there should be a second referendum! I have been waiting for him to call for this, but he seems to have gone quiet. Too busy writing speeches for Trump?

Do you have any sort of link? Just for the benefit of those who cannot recall him ever saying such a thing.

 

[Domh245]

Do you have any sort of link? Just for the benefit of those who cannot recall him ever saying such a thing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...rage-David-Cameron-unfinished-business-Brexit

I think he also talked about it on the evening of the 23rd when he first conceded.

 

[Antman]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...rage-David-Cameron-unfinished-business-Brexit

I think he also talked about it on the evening of the 23rd when he first conceded.

Well that's one that only Mr Farage himself can answer.

 

[TheKnightWho]

Well that's one that only Mr Farage himself can answer.

So you're going to admit that your glorious leader is in fact a total hypocrite?

 

[Antman]

No more so than the 'remoaners' who are demanding a rerun now but weren't saying that before the election.

 

[TheKnightWho]

No more so than the 'remoaners' who are demanding a rerun now but weren't saying that before the election.

That doesn't make them hypocrites. You can't read people's minds - not saying something isn't the same as saying the opposite of it. Just admit it - Farage is a hypocrite, and you haven't got anything on Remainers.

I love the cognitive dissonance of you desperately trying to excuse it though.

 

[bb21]

No more so than the 'remoaners' who are demanding a rerun now but weren't saying that before the election.

That isn't answering the question. A simple "yes" or "no" would suffice.

On this occasion I have to agree with TheKnightWho. You are comparing apples with oranges. Totally incompatible comparison.

 

[Antman]

That isn't answering the question. A simple "yes" or "no" would suffice.

On this occasion I have to agree with TheKnightWho. You are comparing apples with oranges. Totally incompatible comparison.

Well if the comments attributed to Mr Farage are correct then it would have to be yes but as I said those demanding a rerun now are just as bad if they weren't specifying any sort of winning margin before the vote.

 

[TheKnightWho]

Well if the comments attributed to Mr Farage are correct then it would have to be yes but as I said those demanding a rerun now are just as bad if they weren't specifying any sort of winning margin before the vote.

How? The reasons given are that the Leave campaign lied through their teeth. The Remain campaign were accused of fear-mongering, even though those claims are being borne out as we speak. On the other hand, Farage warned of using violence in the case of a Remain vote and gave no better reason than "people will be angry".

At least Remain is giving a demcratic reason - Farage's is downright fascist: "the ends justify the means".

It's very obvious to any independent observer that you find it impossible to admit that the Leave campaign did anything wrong, and in the cases where you're forced to admit it you're determined to bring everyone else down to that level. Maybe, instead of assuming you're right and that it must be everyone else that's wrong, have a think about why people oppose you instead of assuming we're idiots, deluded or involved in a conspiracy against you. The world doesn't revolve around you.

 

[Groningen]

So Mike Hookem thinks that Steven Woolfe acted his fall. He even wants to go to court for that. MH has even twittered a photo of his hands to show that they have no scars or injuries.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...rage-David-Cameron-unfinished-business-Brexit

I think he also talked about it on the evening of the 23rd when he first conceded.

Since the quote buried in the links is rather significant, I'm posting it directly, for the benefit of anyone who doesn't want to click on the links and read the entire articles:

Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

Since the result was in fact 48-52, then Farage's own standards would appear to clearly define the referendum result not as definite, but rather as 'unfinished business', due to the narrowness of the margin.

 

[backontrack]

Steven Woolfe has now been discharged from hospital.

I feel sorry for Diane James - she stands down as leader after 18 days and still someone else manages to steal her thunder

 

[Busaholic]

I feel sorry for Diane James - she stands down as leader after 18 days and still someone else manages to steal her thunder

It could just be that someone else stealing thunder was exactly what she had in mind - her decision, like so much else in UKIP, is opaque. The way the party is going someone will be facing a very serious criminal charge for something within the not-too-distant future. The Labour Party are pussycats compared to this lot.

 

[jon0844]

As had been suggested, UKIP must now be wanting to grab whatever it can before the inevitable happens. There will be a power struggle as I'm sure whoever is at the top will stand to get the richest pickings.

Farage has at least moved on and is now defending Trump's latest scandal Stateside.