Livery variations & full fleet details - East Midlands Trains

[P156KWJ]

is the half standard decomissioned first class then?

 

[class 313]

is the half standard decomissioned first class then?

I doubt it, specially when it says 'converted'.

 

[222001]

is the half standard decomissioned first class then?

Its a conversion. It looks like the other coaches in the Meridian fleet where about 2/3 of the space is taken by first class and the other 1/3 is taken by standard. You can tell that it all used to be first class due to the purple stripes at the sides of the windows where the curtains used to be.
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Something I have just been thinking is that one whole first class carriage has to all be converted to standard to boost 222009 or 222018 up to 5 car Meridians. Extra standard seats have got to come from somewhere. If they can get the same seats used in the Meridians which I presume they can; I hope they can find the same material to use to cover the seats, as it will look quite strange having seating in one coach one colour and seating another a different colour on the same train.
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222023 now in EMT livery. Seen on fotopic.

 

[P156KWJ]

153302 has been refurbished - looks like they used the seats from the unrefurbished CT 158s before refurbing 158783. Still in Heart of Devon / Cornwall livery.

So it's an East Midlands Trains unit, in a Wessex Trains livery that was used by FGW, with Central Trains moquette, and interior Wales & Borders branding on safety signs hock:
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I will add coaching stock soon for any coach anoraks out there

 

[mumrar]

A driver for EMT informed that there was a variation on the new livery on the Class 222s which depends on which shift of workers repaint them. He told me it was about a different interpretation of the instructions given which results in a differing appearance of the yellow section by the coupling. Below is a shot I took deliberately to show this with 222006 and 222017 at Nottingham.

You can clearly see that on one the yellow comes right down to the coupling, whilst on 222017 the red is left across the top of the coupling. Very odd, and not really important but I thought I'd share my findings

 

[me123]

Hmm... 'tis rather odd. Presumably most people won't notice it, so EMT probably don't care too much about it. Then again, they haven't counted on us to nit-pick over these tiny details, as we do

 

[class 313]

Hmm... 'tis rather odd. Presumably most people won't notice it, so EMT probably don't care too much about it. Then again, they haven't counted on us to nit-pick over these tiny details, as we do

The livery had to be changed at the start because of the nose area, not enough yellow.

 

[222001]

222017 is the one that is vinyled and not painted, so thats could be the reason that one is different. But some of the early ones painted such as 222008 and 222013 have slightly different coverage of yellow. It settled down after about the first 4 had been painted. They are all the sameish after that.

 

[P156KWJ]

it's like the 156s, their colour scheme includes wrap-round yellow (better imo) than on 153s, which the yellow stops in favour of red.

 

[jacknottm]

Last meridian in old colours is now 018. Which is thought to be in for repaint.
Jack

 

[class 313]

Some of the 222s are already filthy, one of the coaches of a 222 I saw at St Pancras was almost black from dirt.

 

[P156KWJ]

exactly - it's beyond me why they paint trains white :roll:

 

[Pumbaa]

A driver for EMT informed that there was a variation on the new livery on the Class 222s which depends on which shift of workers repaint them. He told me it was about a different interpretation of the instructions given which results in a differing appearance of the yellow section by the coupling. Below is a shot I took deliberately to show this with 222006 and 222017 at Nottingham.

You can clearly see that on one the yellow comes right down to the coupling, whilst on 222017 the red is left across the top of the coupling. Very odd, and not really important but I thought I'd share my findings

If you think EMT are bad, try this page here which documents SWT best attempts to get as many swoosh variations as possible...

 

[me123]

Am I the only one who can't see the differences in the above page, even though they are pointed out to me?

 

[class 313]

Am I the only one who can't see the differences in the above page, even though they are pointed out to me?

Thicker red, just above the coupler...

 

[mumrar]

I thin me123 was referring to the link to Desiro variations, rather than my shots and yes, I'll join him in saying I can see no difference either

 

[me123]

Yes, Tom, I can see the variation in the Meridians. What I cannot see is the desiro differences, even though there is a long article explining them to me...

 

[class 313]

Ah sorry, my mistake.

 

[P156KWJ]

on SWT 455s there's a few variations AFAIK too?

 

[P156KWJ]

It has been announced that EMT will be recieiving 43089 from Porterbrook in use from December. Currently a Network Rail machine - so possibly a new valenta will be interesting to see a yellow PC on a MML rake

 

[AlexS]

It'll be re-engineered with a VP185 and DC traction motors before entering service.

 

[richa2002]

Hmm, not according to this http://railuk.forumup.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2433&mforum=railuk

 

[AlexS]

Admittedly my gen (which tallied at the time with a number of bods in the know) is from late last month so things may have changed since.

 

[richa2002]

Ah okay, fair enough.

 

[P156KWJ]

hmm, would make sense, as said, 089's valenta engine has quitre low mileage

 

[class 313]

089 should be coming back as a Valenta engined PC.

 

[P156KWJ]

good news for HST bashers like myself then

 

[EE Type 3]

good news for HST bashers like myself then

Not really, chasing just the one powercar around all day sounds like a joke to me. But hey who am I to judge

 

[jacknottm]

Not strictly livery gen but 222008 which has been out of service for as long as i can remember was seen in nottingham last night forming the 2007 to st pancras.

158783 was said to be 3 weeks behind schedule. It should now appear next week.

Jack

 

[P156KWJ]

thought 783 would be out, they want as many units as possible
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Also, can a coach veg please tell me which rake the EMT liveried mk3s are on? I know it's not NL11, that's the dining train in MML livery, but can someone help with that? Ta