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Isn't it so that the autotransformer feed wire is electrically isolated from the (I hope this is the correct term) trains pantograph pick up wire, without the need to bolt on additional equipment. This keeps down the cost and makes the structures less cluttered and quicker to install. Also with ease of installation and overall costs in mind the components are made to a standard size and therefore the "bits that stick out at the top" will vary from location to location as a result of differing ground conditions, giving different top of rail to pick up wire heights?

The AT feed going up on the WCML also uses mast extensions for extra height.
So any line so treated will end up a little lop-sided for height.
It's also been installed like that between Liverpool and Manchester in the NW scheme.
 
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Yesterday I travelled between London Paddington and Bristol TM and there has been good electrification progress between Paddington and Swindon since I last travelled on this line around six weeks ago, the below is only for the relief lines as I could not see the up main clearly.
Airport Junction to Maidenhead has now about 90% of the steelwork installed, this is a far cry from mid August last year when there was only a few masts around Iver and only the Burham to Taplow section had a lot of masts installed, as a bonus there is about 1 mile of wiring just east of Taplow.
Between Maidenhead and Reading the first masts have appeared, around six, and apart from the Sonning Cutting and a few places here and there the piling is more or less done.
There is wiring from just west of Tilehurst to about a mile and half past Pangbourne apart from through Pangbourne Station itself.
At Didcot station itself masts have now appeared and there are masts installed upto level with the western end of Didcot power station.
Piling completed between Didcot and where the four track section ends towards Swindon is now about 85-90% complete
New to me is that electrical switchgear has been installed just west of Swindon station, at Wootton Bassett and about a mile west of Chippenham Station all on the up side.
So at this rate I feel we can be hopefull of Tilehurst to Didcot going live in Sept/Oct this year for IEP testing as in the revised Hendy report and Airport Juction to Maidenhead early next year.
I know a lot of work was completed over the Christmas break but this is a good start to 2016, those guys from Amey and Balfour Beatty must be making a mint!!
 

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HowardGWR wrote "I agree, though, visually, the bits that stick out at the top, of varying heights, seem to shout 'please cut me off and make it all level'. I think our colleague Philip Phlopp explained why it is so designed, but I've already forgotten why."

Isn't it so that the autotransformer feed wire is electrically isolated from the (I hope this is the correct term) trains pantograph pick up wire, without the need to bolt on additional equipment. This keeps down the cost and makes the structures less cluttered and quicker to install. Also with ease of installation and overall costs in mind the components are made to a standard size and therefore the "bits that stick out at the top" will vary from location to location as a result of differing ground conditions, giving different top of rail to pick up wire heights?

( perhaps I should clarify what I am trying to say. I would guess that the top of rail to pick up wire distance will be pretty much constant, just that due to differing ground conditions the top of the piles will vary so to maintain this constant distance the equipment positions on the OHLE supports will vary slightly, hence the differences in the "bits left over at the top" I think I am getting out of my depth here!)

That's almost completely correct, yes.

The space between the top of a single track cantilever, twin track cantilever horizontal element or portal crossbeam is for the auto transformer cable to be installed in a position of safety.

There's a potential difference (as in the electrical term) of 50kV between the ATF cable and the catenary elements, and a potential difference of 25kV between ground and both the ATF and catenary elements (the 25-0-25 figure discussed). If we assume the ATF is live at -25kV (and the catenary - contact wire etc is live at +25kV) that means ATF cables have to be a little further from anything that's live at +25kV than they do from anything that's 0V (ground), if the two come into contact, they should in theory cancel each other out to 0V, but in doing so, they're likely to damage or at least trip everything in the electrical section, as the voltage drops below the lower threshold.

The fact it's live at 25kV needs specific precautions for permanent way staff safety, because it's not tensioned and thus less likely to trip in the event of damage, it needs to be placed into a position where an insulator failure results in the ATF cable (though it's not really a cable, as it's an uninsulated wire when mounted on the OLE) earthing and tripping, rather than remaining live and dropping down to track level where anybody on track could come into contact with the cable.

It also needs to earth without coming into contact with the +25kV catenary, so as to prevent any damage potential, because you can run without ATF, not having to deal with damage to the catenary itself is a major reliability plus point. If it's not possible to put the ATF wire in a position of safety, then it'll be fitted with an earthing bar (the thing that looks like a garden rake) or ultimately, it'll be buried using insulated HV cable.

Mast height seems to be causing some confusion too, there's not a massive amount of wasted mast needing to be cut off the top, the height is deliberate give or take an inch or two.

Portal masts vary slightly depending on track alignment, the only scheme where portals have been perfectly installed was the WCML and that needed the foundations for the portals to be precisely levelled so the prefabricated portals could be installed in the correct position, there's simply too much traffic and too many H&S rules for that sort of work today.

The twin track cantilever masts have a small amount of adjustment based on the quick release mounting mechanism, everything above that is again deliberate, and single masts are as per previous electrification schemes, standard length, but each mast will be mounted at approximately the same level in relation to the running line, so height on those masts is once again deliberate.

There's only a very small difference in mast foundation height in relation to running rail, a matter of an inch or two, we're not talking about foundations being a couple of feet out and needing two or three feet cut off the top.
 
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Many thanks for that explanation, very interesting and appreciated. Now we are getting photographs of some of the Great Western OHLE it is good to know why it has been designed in the way it is and makes the engineering more interesting (for me anyway). I must say that I think the OHE looks to have been excellently designed.
 

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Many thanks for that explanation, very interesting and appreciated. Now we are getting photographs of some of the Great Western OHLE it is good to know why it has been designed in the way it is and makes the engineering more interesting (for me anyway). I must say that I think the OHE looks to have been excellently designed.

I totally agree.
 

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Great Western's website shows there will be no trains at all serving Didcot all day on 6 Sundays: 7 Feb; 28 Feb; 6 March; 13 March; 20 March; 27 March. Buses are replacing trains on all three routes from the town - to Oxford; Swindon; and even on the four track route to Reading.

This scale of closure is in my experience quite unprecedented. Something significant must obviously be happening to cause it. Anyone know what work is planned - electrification? re-signalling? or a combination of both?
 

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Great Western's website shows there will be no trains at all serving Didcot all day on 6 Sundays: 7 Feb; 28 Feb; 6 March; 13 March; 20 March; 27 March. Buses are replacing trains on all three routes from the town - to Oxford; Swindon; and even on the four track route to Reading.

This scale of closure is in my experience quite unprecedented. Something significant must obviously be happening to cause it. Anyone know what work is planned - electrification? re-signalling? or a combination of both?

Won't be surprised to find out it's wires up time!
 

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Won't be surprised to find out it's wires up time!

It'll be wiring if it's just Sunday closures (though I wouldn't be surprised if S&T are out playing with their wires). In some ways it's not a big deal, it's just routine wiring, but Didcot is one of the grid connection points and getting the feeder connected up to the OLE is obviously very important.
 

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It could be the first energisation and testing of the OHLE; there'll be oodles of testing the signalling immunisation, to make sure that those nasty electric trains don't put stray currents into the signalling equipment, thereby turning a red signal green (and possibly on an adjacent line, or maybe even an unrelated line miles away.) So to protect against that, the only safe way is to have no service trains anywhere near.
 

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Great Western's website shows there will be no trains at all serving Didcot all day on 6 Sundays: 7 Feb; 28 Feb; 6 March; 13 March; 20 March; 27 March. Buses are replacing trains on all three routes from the town - to Oxford; Swindon; and even on the four track route to Reading.

This scale of closure is in my experience quite unprecedented. Something significant must obviously be happening to cause it. Anyone know what work is planned - electrification? re-signalling? or a combination of both?

Won't be surprised to find out it's wires up time!

It'll be wiring if it's just Sunday closures (though I wouldn't be surprised if S&T are out playing with their wires). In some ways it's not a big deal, it's just routine wiring, but Didcot is one of the grid connection points and getting the feeder connected up to the OLE is obviously very important.

It could be the first energisation and testing of the OHLE; there'll be oodles of testing the signalling immunisation, to make sure that those nasty electric trains don't put stray currents into the signalling equipment, thereby turning a red signal green (and possibly on an adjacent line, or maybe even an unrelated line miles away.) So to protect against that, the only safe way is to have no service trains anywhere near.

It just all sounds great news to me. :D
 

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Tensioning doesn't affect tripping of the protective breakers and the breakers should operate the moment the cable touches anything at or near earth potential. In most cases the ATF cable isn't buried when not on the OHLE structures but run in separate troughing marked as carrying 25KV cabling
 

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It'll be wiring if it's just Sunday closures (though I wouldn't be surprised if S&T are out playing with their wires). In some ways it's not a big deal, it's just routine wiring, but Didcot is one of the grid connection points and getting the feeder connected up to the OLE is obviously very important.

Believe some wiring will be going up, but the Didcot closure is to get all the booms up in the area. Some big ones to go in that can't be done on a normal weekend night closure. Also believe the aim is to get all the remaining steel work up between Goring and Didcot by the end of March.
 

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A sign up at Goring station is advising locals of noise due to erection of the new footbridge over these weekends too.
 

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The AT feed going up on the WCML also uses mast extensions for extra height.
So any line so treated will end up a little lop-sided for height.
It's also been installed like that between Liverpool and Manchester in the NW scheme.

I first say AT wiring on the Paris to Lyon LGV in 1982. It looked very elegant.

Where they have put an add-on to the existing masts on the formerly tidy masts for the Northern WCML Mk3 it looks dreadful.

In other countries I am sure the OHLE would have been completely replaced but we have to make do with it backfitted on the cheap.
 

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In other countries I am sure the OHLE would have been completely replaced but we have to make do with it backfitted on the cheap.

Erm? Perhaps if their systems were falling apart and in need of replacing, or were otherwise so rich that they felt wreaking havoc on a railway with all it's associated costs (for possesions, delay, manpower and materials, amongst others) was a good idea, then perhaps Autotransformer feeds would have been added by replacing everything, but if you can get away with spending massively less than that, which can be done with some tubing and larger insulator sheds, why on earth would you do it?
 

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I first say AT wiring on the Paris to Lyon LGV in 1982. It looked very elegant.

Where they have put an add-on to the existing masts on the formerly tidy masts for the Northern WCML Mk3 it looks dreadful.

In other countries I am sure the OHLE would have been completely replaced but we have to make do with it backfitted on the cheap.

No country would replace the OLE entirely. It's a railway, not an art gallery, the first function of an OLE system is to be highly reliable.

SNCF's OLE has one problem with it's ATF fitment, it isn't guaranteed of earthing in the event of an insulator failure, so can drop down and remain live, that's why ATF feeding in the UK is positioned in a position where an insulator will result in it earthing (as earthing trips the supply).
 

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No country would replace the OLE entirely. It's a railway, not an art gallery, the first function of an OLE system is to be highly reliable.

SNCF's OLE has one problem with it's ATF fitment, it isn't guaranteed of earthing in the event of an insulator failure, so can drop down and remain live, that's why ATF feeding in the UK is positioned in a position where an insulator will result in it earthing (as earthing trips the supply).

From my travels in Switzerland, they do seem to renew the whole OHLE every few decades. At least the appearance changes drastically.
 

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From my travels in Switzerland, they do seem to renew the whole OHLE every few decades. At least the appearance changes drastically.
A Swiss job creation scheme? :) Without knowing the reasons, that info doesn't really tell much does it?
 

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A Swiss job creation scheme? :) Without knowing the reasons, that info doesn't really tell much does it?

'Every few* decades' sounds like a reasonable engineering practice to enhance reliability of what is a critical part of Switzerland's infrastructure.

* 'few' implies at least 30 years, maybe averaging 40-50 years. In that time much of the UK's OLE has started to become a serious operational liability, particularly where ground conditions play an important part in the stability of supports.
 

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From my travels in Switzerland, they do seem to renew the whole OHLE every few decades. At least the appearance changes drastically.

How much of it?

The wire has a lifetime of "a few decades" and is replaced after that time even in the UK (depending a bit on useage no doubt). The supports ought to last forever if properly maintained. Any ground condition issues would be evident by the supports going out of vertical and would need attention to foundations either of individual supports or of longer runs. Have they replaced headspans with beams as Network Rail is planning for the ECML?
 

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The Swiss do certainly replace a lot of their OLE, but some of it is really, really old, and I'd guess they're still using some manual tensioning from way back when, which they'll be keen to ditch, just as we are.

Their work is not too different to the GEML renewal project, and that's one reason why Swiss company Furrer+Frey were contracted.

They also suffer from avalanches and rock falls, which can require isolated replacements after each event, and like us, they have unstable ground conditions which can need a repair (there are new masts recently installed across the Fens, with tubular steel piles, replacing rotated masts on concrete founds).

Replacement work is, as long as you have access, sweetie money compared with the initial electrification, most masts will last for a century or more, they were made from good quality steel and they were well treated before erection, so it's normally just a case of fitting a new cantilever and maybe a new run of contact/catenary wire, though we would probably now fit spring tensioning and try to eliminate tail wires where possible, as it removes a small issue that can damage adjacent wiring during dewirement, so that'll often need a new portal or mast for tensioning.

I'm sure we have people more familiar with the Swiss network than I, but they have some odd electrification systems out there - multiple phase systems with two contact wires and things, maybe some of those have been replaced with a more conventional electrification system, or they've moved from DC to AC, that sort of thing. Anybody know any more ?
 

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One other point to make about Swiss electrification is that they embarked on it on a large scale a whole lot earlier than the rest of Europe, the problems with getting their hands on coal during the First World War being a pretty compelling argument - by 1939 something like three-quarters of the Swiss network was electrified, way ahead of anywhere else in Europe - so they probably will need a continuing and widespread overhead renewal programme.
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First overhead wires west of Pangbourne station were in place as I passed this morning. They are over the fast lines.
 

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"Temporary road in Wiltshire saves 24-mile detour"

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Network Rail has spent £3m building a temporary road in Wiltshire.
The road will save the need for a 24-mile detour when three bridges near Royal Wootton Bassett are closed for rail electrification upgrades.
Network Rail spokesman Julian Burnell said it would be "cheaper to close a few roads" but they wanted to minimise disruption to motorists.
The work on the bridges will start in March and last until 2017.

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The project involves reconstructing two bridges on Marlborough Road and Broad Town Road and work on the A3102 Bath Road.
The track will also be lowered under the listed Hunts Mill bridge to create the additional space needed for the overhead electrification.
Work on the Marlborough Road/Broad Town bridge will take place between March 2016 and September 2016.
The work on the A3102 Bath Road bridge is due to take place between October 2016 and March 2017.

SOURCE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-35490928

Furthermore.....

It seems you are damned if you do, damned if you don't :roll:

Royal Wootton Bassett residents seek clarity over 'unsafe' relief road

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Residents living by a "poorly-constructed, unlit and unmarked" temporary relief road in Wiltshire have called for clarity on its safety.
The £3m route in Royal Wootton Bassett, which is not yet in use, has been built to save a 24-mile detour while work is carried out on three railway bridges.
But some residents fear the height of the road, just metres from their back gardens, is cause for serious concern.
Network Rail said it was investigating the issues raised by residents.
'Worst-case scenario'
The firm has developed the road to keep traffic flowing while it carries out rail electrification upgrades in the area from next month until 2017.
However, Keith Talbot of Dunnington Road described it as a "relatively narrow, poorly-constructed, unlit, unmarked road, raised quite high in the air above the levels of the back gardens of the houses adjacent to it".
He said it needed making safe with crash barriers and markings "so we're not suffering the worst-case scenario of a 38-tonne vehicle running off and into someone's back garden".
Another Dunnington Road resident, Caroline Redmond, said the relief route was needed but so was clarity on the many issues they have raised with Network Rail.
"What we're trying to do is understand some factual written information to the residents on pollution control, noise control, weight control and speed control."
A Network Rail spokeswoman said: "We are aware of residents' concerns and are investigating the issues raised.
"We will get back to residents as soon as possible."

SOURCE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-35521152
 

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I don't think that route would be open to 38t vehicles, so there would be little chance of one ending up in somebody's garden!
 

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One other point to make about Swiss electrification is that they embarked on it on a large scale a whole lot earlier than the rest of Europe, the problems with getting their hands on coal during the First World War being a pretty compelling argument.


It worked in reverse for the UK. The 1945 Labour Government wanted to keep coal mining jobs and they thus had the railways carry on building steam locomotives until 1962 (?). It wasn't really until the 1955 modernization plan that electrification was in vogue again (for a while).
 

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It worked in reverse for the UK. The 1945 Labour Government wanted to keep coal mining jobs and they thus had the railways carry on building steam locomotives until 1962 (?). It wasn't really until the 1955 modernization plan that electrification was in vogue again (for a while).

At the time the electricity for any electrification would have been supplied overwhelmingly by burning coal. Miners' jobs only really come into it when considering diesel versus either steam or electric.
 

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I'm sure we have people more familiar with the Swiss network than I, but they have some odd electrification systems out there - multiple phase systems with two contact wires and things, maybe some of those have been replaced with a more conventional electrification system, or they've moved from DC to AC, that sort of thing. Anybody know any more ?

I believe that the only 3 phase systems to remain are Zermatt to Gornergrat and Kleine Scheidegg to Jungfraujoch. Others, such as Sion to Iselle were replaced with 15kV low frequency long ago.

In the time since 1984 that I have been traveling to Zermatt (MGB 11kV low frequency) the wooden masts have been replaced by Steel ones on the Visp to Zermatt section.
 

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At the time the electricity for any electrification would have been supplied overwhelmingly by burning coal. Miners' jobs only really come into it when considering diesel versus either steam or electric.
Or oil burning steam engines, as the Labour Government tried in 1948. I didn't understand Gralistair's comment, as in fact the Labour Government only gave up the experiment with oil, due to a foreign exchange difficulty of paying for it. My understanding was that there was a shortage of coal miners, post WW2, and far from having to protect their jobs, they couldn't get enough coal produced. The actual oil burning worked very well, once crews got used to the (for them) new method.
 

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It worked in reverse for the UK. The 1945 Labour Government wanted to keep coal mining jobs and they thus had the railways carry on building steam locomotives until 1962 (?). It wasn't really until the 1955 modernization plan that electrification was in vogue again (for a while).

At the time the electricity for any electrification would have been supplied overwhelmingly by burning coal. Miners' jobs only really come into it when considering diesel versus either steam or electric.

Or oil burning steam engines, as the Labour Government tried in 1948. I didn't understand Gralistair's comment, as in fact the Labour Government only gave up the experiment with oil, due to a foreign exchange difficulty of paying for it. My understanding was that there was a shortage of coal miners, post WW2, and far from having to protect their jobs, they couldn't get enough coal produced. The actual oil burning worked very well, once crews got used to the (for them) new method.

I will post the youtube documentary -o r similar reference when I find it. The 1945 Labour Government decided to make Britain a nuclear power and thought long term electricity would come from it. Post war Germany, France et al started electrifying. Labour wanted to protect the coal industry and kept building steam engines. Despite "winning the war" we were more backwards than other nations.
 
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