Overweight haters Ltd target tube passengers.

[muz379]

I think I would keep that simply to someone who burns a house down because they wished to cause harm (physical or mental) to the occupants is more serious than someone who burns a house down because they like playing with fire but had no harmful intent against its owners/occupiers, and not bring the reason why into it at all (other than possibly premeditation/revenge issues).

Whilst I agree that anybody who burns a house down hoping those inside are killed or injured is a serious offender and needs help . I still think there are grounds to differentiate between for example .

1) Someone who burns down a house with their ex wife and new partner inside because of jealousy

2) Someone who burns down a house because it is full of someone of a particular race/nationality and the arsonist harbors deep hatred for that race/nationality .

The person in 1 needs treatment for anger management issues . The person in 2 needs treatment for serious xenophobia. The person in 1 is probably also only a risk to a smaller number of people in their own direct circle . Wheras 2 is a risk to a large population of people in the same class as those they hate .

 

[GB]

Ok whether or not it's a hate crime to give out these cards is debatable, but surely it at least goes against the malicious communications act?

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Ok whether or not it's a hate crime to give out these cards is debatable, but surely it at least goes against the malicious communications act?

Might very well be

 

[DarloRich]

As a large bloke i felt it my duty to combat these morons by having an extra pie and cake for my lunch.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

As a large bloke i felt it my duty to combat these morons by having an extra pie and cake for my lunch.

I was flanking them also, Darlo, by having a family sized lasagna all by myself

 

[PermitToTravel]

It would be ABH not GBH, unless you went to town on them!
A broken nose or jaw is just ABH.

I reckon I could do some GBH if I sat on them

 

[Antman]

No but the extra severity the offence would be treated with by the courts when passing sentence might make you feel better about things .

Not to mention understanding why the offender has done what they have done could then give us better ways to address or understand their behavior .

Obviously someone who has burnt down a house because the occupants are a different race or religion to them needs different treatment than someone who burnt down a house because playing with fire is fun .

Those responsible would presumably be charged with attempted murder, whether it was a so called 'hate crime' or not is neither here nor there

 

[TheNewNo2]

Ok, so it's nasty, small minded behaviour, but a 'hate crime' ?, a reasonable use of BTP time ?, I think not, there's an awful lot of 'proper' crimes that need dealing with first, tell the person with the cards to **** off and put them where the sun doesn't shine

Tell me, would you advocate that all police dealing with, say, burglary, be transferred to the murder squad, on the grounds that murder is worse than burglary? What about all the people who investigate domestic abuse or rapes? Shouldn't we not worry about people being murdered here at all while more people are being murdered in America? Or how about all the people dying in Syria?

There will always be a worse problem, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't also deal with the smaller things.

 

[ExRes]

Tell me, would you advocate that all police dealing with, say, burglary, be transferred to the murder squad, on the grounds that murder is worse than burglary? What about all the people who investigate domestic abuse or rapes? Shouldn't we not worry about people being murdered here at all while more people are being murdered in America? Or how about all the people dying in Syria?

There will always be a worse problem, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't also deal with the smaller things.

If I had to choose with using my resources to prevent murder in preference to burglary ?, yes, all day long

Read what I put and you'll see I mentioned dealing with assaults as being far more useful and sensible than people being called names

Your last question is totally irrelevant and overly dramatic, as far as this thread is concerned I couldn't give a fig about America or Syria

 

[ainsworth74]

If I had to choose with using my resources to prevent murder in preference to burglary ?, yes, all day long

But this is the BTP we're talking about not much call for them to deal with or prevent burglary or murder I'd have thought?

 

[ExRes]

But this is the BTP we're talking about not much call for them to deal with or prevent burglary or murder I'd have thought?

Should I apologise for going slightly off topic ?, I have my doubts that I'm alone there ...........

I don't happen to have a breakdown of BTP cases to hand but I would be prepared to bet this weeks beer fund that they get the odd job or two which are rather more important and immediate than some idiot giving out childish cards, cards which could and should be recycled in a receptacle provided for that purpose or a human receptacle provided, ideally, for more personal uses
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Sadly we have proof this evening of the more pertinent use of BTP time, a man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after reports of a person being pushed into the path of an underground train at Kentish Town this morning

 

[Groningen]

And if you are skinny you are also handed some kind of card?

 

[ExRes]

And if you are skinny you are also handed some kind of card?

Indeed

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?img...d=0ahUKEwj3quXEmr7JAhWCvBQKHV7_BhYQMwgyKAAwAA

 

[Amberley54]

And if you are skinny you are also handed some kind of card?

Other reasons for being 'carded' could include -

Guilty of wearing a loud tie in the hours of daylight

Or

Having an offensive-looking boy/girlfriend?

 

[muz379]

Those responsible would presumably be charged with attempted murder, whether it was a so called 'hate crime' or not is neither here nor there

Yes , but if found guilty they would face a harsher punishment as the fact that it was a hate crime would be an aggravating factor the judge is required to take into account when sentencing .

 

[Antman]

Yes , but if found guilty they would face a harsher punishment as the fact that it was a hate crime would be an aggravating factor the judge is required to take into account when sentencing .

You can't get much harsher than life imprisonment

 

[bnm]

You can't get much harsher than life imprisonment

Aggravating factors add to the minimum term. A 'life' sentence for someone over 21 can be anything from 15 years to a whole life order.

 

[Tetchytyke]

You can't get much harsher than life imprisonment

There are degrees of "life imprisonment". You can have a minimum tariff set, which means that you would be eligible for parole (on licence) after that time, and this can sometimes be as short as five years, or can be well over 30 years. Or you can have a whole life sentence imposed, which means that you will never be eligible for parole.

 

[Johnuk123]

There are degrees of "life imprisonment". You can have a minimum tariff set, which means that you would be eligible for parole (on licence) after that time, and this can sometimes be as short as five years, or can be well over 30 years. Or you can have a whole life sentence imposed, which means that you will never be eligible for parole.

I personally knew a prisoner who was walking the streets after 16 months of a life sentence. Hundreds are out on licence after less than 7/8 years so the idea of a life sentence meaning a hell of a long time in jail is inaccurate.

 

[jon0844]

Sadly we have proof this evening of the more pertinent use of BTP time, a man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after reports of a person being pushed into the path of an underground train at Kentish Town this morning

I thought police officers were used to dealing with smaller crimes or anti-social behaviour etc, knowing that if something major happens they can drop what they're doing and go.

Occasionally that means a petty criminal gets lucky, but it shouldn't mean that people are always going to be lucky because someone has decided that cops should just walk around wait for the big calls, or to get lucky and be in the right place at the right time.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Hundreds are out on licence after less than 7/8 years so the idea of a life sentence meaning a hell of a long time in jail is inaccurate.

It depends on what the life sentence was given for, usually. A sentence for public protection is different as it is indefinite; it is possible but unlikely that someone would be seen as safe in 18 months.

For murder, the only sentence available is life (as it should be), but there's a huge difference between the abused person who "flips" after years of abuse and the paedophile who repeatedly abducts and murders young children.

16 months is an extremely unusually short time inside, given that the lowest starting tariff for murder is 12 years (and that's for a murderer aged under 18). You'd normally only see it where someone is mentally ill when committing the crime, as they're not given a sentence as they're not convicted, and is released after treatment.

 

[90019]

Other reasons for being 'carded' could include -

Guilty of wearing a loud tie in the hours of daylight

Or

Having an offensive-looking boy/girlfriend?

What about coughing without due care and attention or walking on the cracks in the pavement?

 

[Busaholic]

The fact that someone (and it probably is just one individual, though possibly he has a 'friend' involved too) has had these cards printed suggests a degree of pre-meditation and obsession that would not necessarily apply to someone name-calling. In my dim and distant past working for the Probation Service I would have been fascinated to have such an individual to deal with, and try to understand. I think I would be prepared to generalise enough to say he is probably of low self-worth and has 'suffered' from rejection by women on more than one occasion.
The handing out of these cards would certainly constitute a crime in my view, if through nothing else than the age-old, catch-all 'committing a breach of the peace' and the individual needs to be named and shamed, if only to stop a rash of copycats.

 

[yorksrob]

According to a paper I was reading, a witness said that the perpetrator (or one of them) was a "hipster type, smartly dressed" which doesn't really fit my impression of what a maladjusted weirdo should look like.

As the saying goes, 'you can't judge a book....'

 

[Minilad]

According to a paper I was reading, a witness said that the perpetrator (or one of them) was a "hipster type, smartly dressed" which doesn't really fit my impression of what a maladjusted weirdo should look like.

As the saying goes, 'you can't judge a book....'

To be fair a maladjusted weirdo would be exactly my description of a lot of the beard sporting freak shows that are called "hipsters"

 

[jon0844]

Plenty of people who sport the hipster look may fit the profile of someone trying to fit in, but being isolated in real life.

As with everything in life, you can never quite tell.

 

[muz379]

You can't get much harsher than life imprisonment

That is the maximum sentence someone can be given for attempted murder , you could be given less than this .

And even life sentences vary because of the finite length that can be placed on the tariff .

And when it comes to other crimes such as offences against the persons the aggravating factor of the offence being a hate crime can make a hell of a lot of difference to the punishment . Much like someone charged with GBH against his wife in a domestic violence incident would be treated more seriously than someone who committed GBH against his mate whilst drunk fighting outside a pub .

I get that you like to espouse this anti PC view , but the law around hate crimes is common sense and here to stay

 

[Tetchytyke]

According to a paper I was reading, a witness said that the perpetrator (or one of them) was a "hipster type, smartly dressed" which doesn't really fit my impression of what a maladjusted weirdo should look like.

I don't know, that sounds exactly like the sort of stuck-up judgemental asshole who would do something like this.

 

[Oswyntail]

#/

I don't know, that sounds exactly like the sort of stuck-up judgemental asshole who would do something like this.

Where is the "irony" emoticon when you need it?

 

[DarloRich]

If I ever received one of these cards, it would disappear firmly where the sun doesn't shine and I would end up being arrested for GBG. Simples?

As my previous post seems to have vanished I will simply say the above post represents my view on what is clearly a terribly serious matter.