Jeremy Corbyn pledges rail renationalisation

[jon0844]

Perhaps they've realised that as they're contributing more than ever to the railways through taxation, they might as well use them.

I somehow very much doubt anyone thinks that!

 

[ainsworth74]

How soon we forget.

• Southall, 19/09/97 - 7 dead, 139 injured
  
• Ladbroke Grove, 05/10/99 - 31 dead, 52 injured
  
• Hatfield, 17/10/00 - 4 dead, 70 injured
  
• Potters Bar, 10/05/02 - 7 dead, 76 injured

Privatisation was a contributory factor in all of these.

Of course BR has it's own record when it comes to things like this:

• Cowden, 15/10/1994 - 5 dead, 13 injured
  
• Newton, 21/07/1991 - 4 dead, 22 injured
  
• Cannon Street, 08/01/1991 - 2 dead, 542 injured
  
• Clapham Junction, 12/12/1988 - 35 dead, 484 injured

BR would have loved to have a safety record like the one the railway has managed to build and maintain since Network Rail took over. The last passenger fatality (touch wood) was Grayrigg more then eight years ago. Did BR ever manage eight years without a passenger fatality?

What happened in the early years of Privatization is not an accurate reflection of the industry as it stands today. So I repeat, it has been costly but I do not see how calling it a disaster is fair.

 

[BananaRepublic]

BR would have loved to have a safety record like the one the railway has managed to build and maintain since Network Rail took over.....


What happened in the early years of Privatization is not an accurate reflection of the industry as it stands today. So I repeat, it has been costly but I do not see how calling it a disaster is fair.

Agreed 100%.

 

[Railsigns]

Of course BR has it's own record when it comes to things like this:

• Cowden, 15/10/1994 - 5 dead, 13 injured
  
• Newton, 21/07/1991 - 4 dead, 22 injured
  
• Cannon Street, 08/01/1991 - 2 dead, 542 injured
  
• Clapham Junction, 12/12/1988 - 35 dead, 484 injured

BR would have loved to have a safety record like the one the railway has managed to build and maintain since Network Rail took over. The last passenger fatality (touch wood) was Grayrigg more then eight years ago. Did BR ever manage eight years without a passenger fatality?

What happened in the early years of Privatization is not an accurate reflection of the industry as it stands today. So I repeat, it has been costly but I do not see how calling it a disaster is fair.

The carnage under Railtrack was only halted when the state intervened by funding network-wide fitment of TPWS. They even had to legislate to force the private rail companies to get on and do it within a set timeframe.

 

[jon0844]

Glad someone remembers the railway consists of more than franchised TOCs. Not sure whether the Labour Party don't know that or the policy makers didn't read beyond the first page of their briefing notes.

All that matters is that the general public don't know. And they won't.

 

[ainsworth74]

The carnage under Railtrack was only halted when the state intervened by funding network-wide fitment of TPWS. They even had to legislate to force the private rail companies to get on and do it within a set timeframe.

So when it was under Railtrack it was carnage but BR it wasn't?

 

[Mag_seven]

Privatization

This is the UK not the USA - there is no "z" in "Privatisation"

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

How soon we forget.

• Southall, 19/09/97 - 7 dead, 139 injured
  
• Ladbroke Grove, 05/10/99 - 31 dead, 52 injured
  
• Hatfield, 17/10/00 - 4 dead, 70 injured
  
• Potters Bar, 10/05/02 - 7 dead, 76 injured

Privatisation was a contributory factor in all of these.

This takes me back to the sad events of two rail accidents in a matter of a few days that occurred under the aegis of British Rail whilst I was at Manchester University in 1964:-

• Cheadle Hulme, 28/05/1964 - 3 dead, 27 injured
  
• Bradford Exchange, 03/06/1964 - 3 dead, 17 injured

This was before privatisation, of course.

 

[ainsworth74]

This is the UK not the USA - there is no "z" in "Privatisation"

Mea Culpa I've been let down by my browser (Chrome) and its spell checker

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Mea Culpa I've been let down by my browser (Chrome) and its spell checker

What national allegiance does Chrome owe to?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Mea Culpa I've been let down by my browser (Chrome) and its spell checker

I don't think it matters these days.
Points have become switches after all.

 

[Domh245]

Chrome is the Google's browser, and with Google being american, I think it is fair to say that chrome's spell checker will try to americanize everything!

 

[jon0844]

Chrome is the Google's browser, and with Google being american, I think it is fair to say that chrome's spell checker will try to americanize everything!

It should go with your location settings, and in any case z is considered acceptable in the UK now, and only serious pedants would even bring it up.

It's just as likely to end up like this because of autocorrect.

 

[wanabedriver]

If Labour came to power and renationalised the railways what would happen to current terms and conditions for rail employees as currently this differs between different TOCs and FOCs.

Would pay and T&Cs have to be bought in line so that employees at the same grade are paid the same regardless of where they worked

Does anyone have any ideas on how it would all pan out

 

[backontrack]

Don't forget Great Heck, the worst crash since Railtrack though not something where anyone in the rail industry could be blamed.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It should go with your location settings, and in any case z is considered acceptable in the UK now, and only serious pedants would even bring it up.

Oh, indeed I am a most serious pedant when matters such as the American misuse of the English language is concerned.

You want to see how I react when the classical languages of GreeK and Latin are also used incorrectly...

 

[furnessvale]

I don't think it matters these days.
Points have become switches after all.

To be pedantic, switches were switches in 1964 when I first set food in a BR district engineers drawing office.

Points were (are) the very end of the switch rails or alternatively something referred to by railway modellers (although I must admit to mixing my points and switches indescriminately in my old age).

 

[HH]

You want to see how I react when the classical languages of Green...

Perhaps I'm just a sprout, but I don't remember greens being a classical language when I went to school.

Or have you been hoisted on your own pedant?

 

[yorksrob]

What happened in the early years of Privatization is not an accurate reflection of the industry as it stands today. So I repeat, it has been costly but I do not see how calling it a disaster is fair.

And the last eight years aren't an accurate reflection of Privatization, rather our current situation of private TOC's and not for profit/public sector managed infrastructure.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Perhaps I'm just a sprout, but I don't remember greeks being a classical language when I went to school.

Or have you been hoisted on your own pedant?

No, but my self-proclaimed pomposity has been somewhat pricked and put well and truly in its place...

Jesus went to pray for a term of 40 days in the desert and during that time, he was tested by Satan. "Behold", said Satan, " kneel before me and follow me and all these computers, dictionaries and thesaurus shall be yours". Jesus rebuked Satan saying "Blessed are those skilled in keyboard use, for their lexicological output shall be ready in perfectness by those who sit at the right hand of the Father."

Here endeth the lesson for today.

 

[jon0844]

A nugget of green is worth a fair bit I heard.

 

[thenorthern]

Just seen this on BBC News at 10 from Bedworth about Corbyn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34396338

Skip to 1:12 and see what the man has to say about rail nationalisation.

I am surprised at Jeremy Corbyn's memory as both Neil Kinnock and John Smith said that the railways would be re-nationalised if Labour ever came to power which they did in 1997 so why does he need to promise it when Labour won power in 1997 oh wait..........

Labour seem to be misleading the public by promising something that they won't ever do.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

There are times when the saying made famous by Michelle in 'Allo 'Allo springs to mind..."Listen, I shall say this only once"

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A nugget of green is worth a fair bit I heard.

A saying often heard in Soylant....for those old enough to remember

 

[ainsworth74]

A saying often heard in Soylant....for those old enough to remember

Considering it's a classic you don't need to be that old

 

[D1009]

If Labour came to power and renationalised the railways what would happen to current terms and conditions for rail employees as currently this differs between different TOCs and FOCs.

Would pay and T&Cs have to be bought in line so that employees at the same grade are paid the same regardless of where they worked

Does anyone have any ideas on how it would all pan out

I can't at the moment get my head around Labour coming to power, but who knows in the future. I'm sure Comrade Corbyn will sort out all the T&C's.

 

[Oswyntail]

...Labour seem to be misleading the public by promising something that they won't ever do.

Are you surprised? This was their main tactic in Government, and in opposition they have revelled in being able to say anything they like knowing they will never be called upon to keep their word.

 

[Railsigns]

I am surprised at Jeremy Corbyn's memory as both Neil Kinnock and John Smith said that the railways would be re-nationalised if Labour ever came to power which they did in 1997 so why does he need to promise it when Labour won power in 1997 oh wait..........

Labour seem to be misleading the public by promising something that they won't ever do.

So, as far as you're concerned, the fact that Jeremy Corbyn is about the most different kind of Labour Party leader from Tony Blair as you could possibly get counts for nothing and, as Prime Minister, Corbyn would act no differently from Blair? This looks like flawed reasoning to me.

Using the same logic, David Cameron is certain to have an affair with Edwina Currie during his premiership.

 

[BananaRepublic]

I can't at the moment get my head around Labour coming to power, but who knows in the future. I'm sure Comrade Corbyn will sort out all the T&C's.

Delegation of those responsibilities?
I thought they've proposed that this new state owned railway will be run by a collective of Trade Unions, selected passenger representatives and (Labour) government politicians.
Pass the sugar comrade.

 

[thenorthern]

So, as far as you're concerned, the fact that Jeremy Corbyn is about the most different kind of Labour Party leader from Tony Blair as you could possibly get counts for nothing and, as Prime Minister, Corbyn would act no differently from Blair? This looks like flawed reasoning to me.

Using the same logic, David Cameron is certain to have an affair with Edwina Currie during his premiership.

Its not just Blair, Labour called for the railways to be re-nationalised in 2012 after the West Coast Mainline fiasco and a commitment to re-nationalise the railways certainly made it into their 2015 election manifesto, oh wait it didn't.

Also under Gordon Brown who was quite Left Wing when NXEC defaulted on their franchise the Labour Transport Secretary at the time said that franchising offered value for money.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

When kind Uncle Jeremy holds the reins of power and the railways are gradually becoming part of his vision, will those passengers travelling on services back in that "national fold" be offering the pale blue and white "Co-operative dividend stamps" to those who book tickets with them?...

Now that really would be a good idea as I still have over 30 completed books of these that recently came to light in a shoebox in my railway archive room and I would be able to cash them in.