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jopsuk

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The second paragraph of that rather, erm, clears things up.
Because there are no universally accepted criteria for distinguishing languages from dialects, scholars and other interested parties often disagree about the linguistic, historical and social status of Scots.[8] Although a number of paradigms for distinguishing between languages and dialects do exist, these often render contradictory results. Broad Scots is at one end of a bipolar linguistic continuum, with Scottish Standard English at the other.[9] Scots is often regarded as one of the ancient varieties of English, yet it has its own distinct dialects.[8] Alternatively, Scots is sometimes treated as a distinct Germanic language, in the way Norwegian is closely linked to, yet distinct from, Danish.[8]

A 2010 Scottish Government study of "public attitudes towards the Scots language" found that 64% of respondents (around 1,000 individuals being a representative sample of Scotland's adult population) "don't really think of Scots as a language", but it also found that "the most frequent speakers are least likely to agree that it is not a language (58%) and those never speaking Scots most likely to do so (72%)".[10] In the 2011 Scottish census, a question on Scots language ability was featured.
 
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Well I am Scottish and I have never heard of it! I speak English with a Scottish accent.

The only thing close would be Ulster-Scots as spoken in parts of Northern Ireland.

But remember, people also put down Jedi as a religion in the census. Does not make it real!

Well some of your fellow Scots seem to think it is a language...

Scots language quiz
The Scots have a language all of their own! Do you know your gowk from your haver? Or your sleekit from your drench?
http://www.scotland.org/quizzes/scots-language-quiz/

Scots Language Award
The Scots Language Award will provide opportunities for learners to study the history and development of the Scots language. It will also help learners develop their ability to understand, and communicate in, Scots.

http://www.sqa.org.uk/sqa/70056.html

The 2011 census in Scotland contained a question about Scots, with 30 per cent of the population saying that they could speak the language.

http://media.scotslanguage.com/library/document/Scots Timeline Post-1700.pdf

Not that this has anything to do with the new GWR livery - or Cornish come to that.
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Back on topic, there is a post on the RMweb forum which says that from 06.30 on Monday there will be a green HST in platform 1 at Paddington, a full green rake of Night Riviera stock in platform 2 and 166205 in platform 3. The Turbo is apparently being given a GWR interior as well as its coat of green paint, which would explain why it has not been seen in service since its return from Wolverton.

Presumably for a quick photo and filming session before the peak arrivals start to flow in.

And here's another picture of 43188 at Derby before its trip down the M5.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101117436@N02/20812850164/
 
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Well some of your fellow Scots seem to think it is a language...


http://www.scotland.org/quizzes/scots-language-quiz/



http://www.sqa.org.uk/sqa/70056.html

The 2011 census in Scotland contained a question about Scots, with 30 per cent of the population saying that they could speak the language.

http://media.scotslanguage.com/library/document/Scots Timeline Post-1700.pdf

Not that this has anything to do with the new GWR livery - or Cornish come to that.
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Back on topic, there is a post on the RMweb forum which says that from 06.30 on Monday there will be a green HST in platform 1 at Paddington, a full green rake of Night Riviera stock in platform 2 and 166205 in platform 3. The Turbo is apparently being given a GWR interior as well as its coat of green paint, which would explain why it has not been seen in service since its return from Wolverton.

Presumably for a quick photo and filming session before the peak arrivals start to flow in.

And here's another picture of 43188 at Derby before its trip down the M5.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/101117436@N02/20812850164/

This might be worthy of a new tread of its own.. My brother speaks, what some call "scots". I call it "slang".

Are destinations on the LOG going to have "Dis train to Barking Init" ??

Anyway look forward to the GWR livery.. I like it!
 
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If it's Great Western we are talking about, shouldn't the colours really be "Chocolate & Cream?". Preferably with a King or Hall at the front. :)
 

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Station signs at Exeter St Davids no longer FGW branded. I expect GWR branding will start soon at stations. ;)
 

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And just when I thought they couldn't make the Turbo fleet look any less attractive.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougieb1971/21487304746/in/photostream/

It would have looked far smarter if the numbers had been left in their original position, and the gWr logo placed on the front of the cab. It will also make the unit far more identifiable when coupled up - unlike this attempt. Not convinced on either the very small Silver Stripe for the First Class area or the larger silver band / switching to Green over the silver doors.
 

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And just when I thought they couldn't make the Turbo fleet look any less attractive.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dougieb1971/21487304746/in/photostream/

It would have looked far smarter if the numbers had been left in their original position, and the gWr logo placed on the front of the cab. It will also make the unit far more identifiable when coupled up - unlike this attempt. Not convinced on either the very small Silver Stripe for the First Class area or the larger silver band / switching to Green over the silver doors.

Agree, number in that position ruins the whole appearance at front
 

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Many Thames Valley stations still have FGWLink signage

And most of them are covered over from their NSE days! This rebranding excessive really is making the Thames Valley a colourful mess at the moment, with GWR, FGW New, FGW Barbie, FGW Link, NSE and IC Great Western Green all making various appearances in different shape or forms. Didcot for example is painted in the new gWr scheme while its waiting rooms and toilets are a mix of Barbie and ICGW, Bramley now is painted in the new green scheme - the first station apparently - but still retains its Pink/Blue/White lampposts, while Mortimer and Reading West are FGW Blue/FGW Link. Why Bramley was chosen ahead of Reading West or Mortimer I don't know, given that it was refurbished and repainted Blue only 6/8 months beforehand, although scruffy Mortimer looks set to receive some modernisation and platform works as part of the electrification of the line - but given that projects delay, it it does seem odd to leave it as is.
 

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And most of them are covered over from their NSE days! This rebranding excessive really is making the Thames Valley a colourful mess at the moment, with GWR, FGW New, FGW Barbie, FGW Link, NSE and IC Great Western Green all making various appearances in different shape or forms. Didcot for example is painted in the new gWr scheme while its waiting rooms and toilets are a mix of Barbie and ICGW, Bramley now is painted in the new green scheme - the first station apparently - but still retains its Pink/Blue/White lampposts, while Mortimer and Reading West are FGW Blue/FGW Link. Why Bramley was chosen ahead of Reading West or Mortimer I don't know, given that it was refurbished and repainted Blue only 6/8 months beforehand, although scruffy Mortimer looks set to receive some modernisation and platform works as part of the electrification of the line - but given that projects delay, it it does seem odd to leave it as is.

I'm certain Southall and surrounding stations have signage from Thames Trains days. Indeed there is a CCTV notice outside the station at Southall that has been stickered over with FGW details but you can still see the outline of Thames Trains underneath it :D.

I do really like the font used for the new timetable posters :).
 

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most stations have wessex trains underneath the signs haha

I remember at st keyne on the looe branch peeling back a sign to reveal wales and west

are new generic signs planned like southern
 

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I'm certain Southall and surrounding stations have signage from Thames Trains days. Indeed there is a CCTV notice outside the station at Southall that has been stickered over with FGW details but you can still see the outline of Thames Trains underneath it :D.

I do really like the font used for the new timetable posters :).

Thames Trains! Now there's a name id forgotten when doing that list! That is probably because of how little I remember Govia actually rolling out the TT brand over NSE beforehand. Yes, I think Southalls bi lingual signs are from TT as well.

As for the Western end - indeed, most of the signs are still ex Wessex Trains and Regional Railways / Wales & West. Most of the poster frames are still in Wessex Maroon as well. It's going to go rather ironically with all this new Green around - like the divisions of BR meeting again across Wiltshire and Somerset (S&D patches!)

New sign wise - Bramely's is very dull. No TOC branding most of you will be pleased to hear, just black letters on a white background. The new running in board is rather odd, featuring "Welcome to Bramley" - Black letters, White background with the BR double arrow featured in white on a red background. It's all very simple, and unfortunately very cheap looking as well - reminiscent of a cheap BR suburban station in the London area in the 1990s.
 
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Considering a few stations around Bristol have received new FGW station name plates within the last year (First Great Western branded) and new bike sheds (painted blue obviously)

Freshford & Avoncliff stations have 'new' First Great Western name plates. Bradford On Avon station has been painted at some point in terracotta and cream and Trowbridge has had the front door to the station office painted green (although this may only be because the door got kicked in and damaged recently, so they've had to fit a new replacement), as have the columns to the electronic displays, yet the roofs to the new bike shelters that were installed only a few months ago (and the TVM shelters, which were installed only weeks ago) are blue? Looks a mess...

FGW manages so many stations, they'll probably get half way through and then decide it's too much and not bother with the rest. It looks like that's what's happened with all the other previous liveries/TOCs. :lol:
 
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Considering a few stations around Bristol have received new FGW station name plates within the last year (First Great Western branded) and new bike sheds (painted blue obviously)

Freshford & Avoncliff stations have 'new' First Great Western name plates. Bradford On Avon station has been painted at some point in terracotta and cream and Trowbridge has had the front door to the station office painted green (although this may only be because the door got kicked in and damaged recently, so they've had to fit a new replacement), as have the columns to the electronic displays, yet the roofs to the new bike shelters that were installed only a few months ago (and the TVM shelters, which were installed only weeks ago) are blue? Looks a mess...

FGW manages so many stations, they'll probably get half way through and then decide it's too much and not bother with the rest. It looks like that's what's happened with all the other previous liveries/TOCs. :lol:

Are you all trying to suggest that stations - and parts of stations - or trains being in all manner of paint jobs from different eras is a new thing?

There were BR totems signs and regional paint jobs at stations in all sorts of places into the late 1970s - the double-arrow corporate image and black on white Helvetica station signs had been introduced in 1964.

Thames Trains hardly bothered painting any stations at all - and had just about got round to repainting its fleet when FGW Link replaced Thames, though I have a suspicion there were still some Turbos in NSE colours. At Moreton-in-Marsh the main timber platform canopy has just been repainted for the first time since Regional Railways was running the Cotswold Line. Charlbury station has been repainted by FGW using the 'old GWR' light and dark stone paint shades.
 
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And most of them are covered over from their NSE days! This rebranding excessive really is making the Thames Valley a colourful mess at the moment, with GWR, FGW New, FGW Barbie, FGW Link, NSE and IC Great Western Green all making various appearances in different shape or forms.

At least the waiting room at Swindon will make sense again soon.
 

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This advert was on a Victoria Line train I traveled on today - apologies if its been posted before.

Shame it wasn't on an underground line that actually served Paddington station! :roll:
 

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This advert was on a Victoria Line train I traveled on today - apologies if its been posted before.

Shame it wasn't on an underground line that actually served Paddington station! :roll:

So...First Group has taken an unprecedented step that now-one else has taken and distanced ourselves....Cleverly Ignoring Southern, London Midland, SouthEastern and XC then? Or does the 'Part of First Group' 'Operated by First Group' not count for gWr then? :lol:
 

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So...First Group has taken an unprecedented step that now-one else has taken and distanced ourselves....Cleverly Ignoring Southern, London Midland, SouthEastern and XC then? Or does the 'Part of First Group' 'Operated by First Group' not count for gWr then? :lol:

EMT & SWT likewise do not use the Stagecoach name as part of the public brand.
 

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EMT & SWT likewise do not use the Stagecoach name as part of the public brand.

True! I didn't put those two down though for using the stagecoach colours (here in SWT & Stagecoach Bus land) But your right about the brand name identity.

Oh dear, Do First really think they can pull the wool over everyone's eyes that easily?
 

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So...First Group has taken an unprecedented step that now-one else has taken and distanced ourselves....Cleverly Ignoring Southern, London Midland, SouthEastern and XC then? Or does the 'Part of First Group' 'Operated by First Group' not count for gWr then? :lol:

the franchises you've listed have never been in a corporate "Govia" or "Arriva" livery
 

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Rather amusingly one of the photos on their new homepage shows an employee in their uniform, but with a nice blue white and pink First Great Western lanyard around his neck :lol:
 
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