Bletchleyite
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I'm getting fed up of TOCs not using the standard yellow stripe. Time for DfT to insist?
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Why? How many average punters know that a yellow stripe denotes First Class?
The vast majority of people know First Class is First Class because the coaches have either the exact words or a massive "1" on them.
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http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y62235/2015/03/02/advanced
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I'm not a fan of this livery. As others say, the gradient treatment is 'orrible. I'd have stuck with the West Coast livery. Or something similar-ish
I'd agree that yellow stripe should be mandatory for 1st (with the death of dedicated restraint vehicles, there's no need for the red-stripe).
I'd agree that yellow stripe should be mandatory for 1st (with the death of dedicated restraint vehicles, there's no need for the red-stripe).
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Is there a total lack of Virgin logos on the coaches?
Bletchleyite
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dk1
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Is this the first livery this design agency has had since 'one' 
Bletchleyite
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Other than frosted into the window glass, there aren't any on Pendolino intermediate vehicles either, and not even that on Voyagers. Virgin get accused of overbranding, but in the current rail liveries they really don't - it's First with the (f) everywhere that do that.
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I thought the National Express livery was grim, yet somehow this is worse. Even Stagecoach don't put the swirls on the carriages.
Also, what on earth is with the purple stripe for first class? It looks absolutely appalling.
Also, what on earth is with the purple stripe for first class? It looks absolutely appalling.
sprinterguy
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Im not sure that it was ever widely used, but raspberry ripple is a nickname that Ive seen used to describe the old Intercity livery when it first came out!
Now widely regarded as a "classic", of course...I quite like this new scheme, though Ive never been fond of liveries that leave a large expanse of unrelieved white: It wont take long for it to start showing up the dirt and brake block dust under anything less than a scrupulous cleaning regime.
Has anyone any links to the livery that aren't on dropbox (can't access that from here...)
My train this morning (the ex-Bradford FS) just had a Red Slash with "Virgin" in it on the front - and a lot of red on the back of seat reservations.
My train this morning (the ex-Bradford FS) just had a Red Slash with "Virgin" in it on the front - and a lot of red on the back of seat reservations.
Right...and out of those, how many don't know that "1" or "FIRST CLASS" also denotes First Class?
I suspect significantly fewer than who realise a double purple stripe means first class.
From a distance the yellow line is clearer.
Thanks for trying - no less blocked for me though.
I can see the other embedded images in the thread.
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The 91s in that livery are crying out for the nameplates to be returned !!! Bring back Berwick upon Tweed
45669
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It's a pity they didn't ask me to design a new livery for the ECML; I would have come up with something really stunning like this :
RD1688. LNER rolling stock at Arley on the Severn Valley Railway. 16th February, 2007. by Ron Fisher, on Flickr
RD1688. LNER rolling stock at Arley on the Severn Valley Railway. 16th February, 2007. by Ron Fisher, on Flickr
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Trying far too hard in my opinion with too much going on. Very toy town.
richardio123
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Thats Virgin. They aren't subtle. I like it.
The thing is, as Stagecoach consistently prove, it's possible to be unsubtle, while remaining attractive and sympathetic to your stock. This is neither.
I suspect part of this branding is designed to make the current stock look bad and old. Then when the 800's come into service with an attractive livery they will appear to be even better. When you think how classy the 91s/Mk4s used to look in GNER livery, and compare that to this new look, it's quite obvious they haven't even attempted to make the stock look good.
Even if yellow horribly mismatches with the rest of a livery? Why?
Most people don't know or care that a yellow stripe means first class. A 'first class' message is sufficient.
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