The Railway: First Great Western on Channel 5

[jon0844]

If we were able to deal with every single evader and first class hopper the Prosecutions board on here would go into meltdown! The FGW FB page would be swamped with trolls! Oh hang on, it already is isn't it!

hehe!

Society as a whole would benefit from us all saying enough is enough, but during the transition stage from when it's deemed okay to try and get away with anything you can, to it being totally unacceptable and something your peers wouldn't tolerate, it would be carnage.

And that's probably why we've not done it, and when we try to be harder - everyone goes mad.

 

[455driver]

It also helps if the general public would actually support those in authority trying to do their job.

Yeah good luck with that one, since the 'big man' incident where the <bleep>ing BTP went after him and left the scally alone I cant see it happening again in my lifetime, can you!

 

[A-driver]

What an overreaction. A few drunks (seemed pretty well mannered and not hooligans or criminals, just under the influence) travelled in a pretty much empty first class coach. Some had tickets for first. And now, shock horror, they used swear words. Hardly a major crime. From what we saw on TV they were hardly constantly swearing or insulting/hassling other passengers. They just happened to use a couple of swear words. Is say it shows more about the woman who complained that they had sworn even though she probably didn't know for sure if they had or had not got first class tickets.

 

[imagination]

What an overreaction. A few drunks (seemed pretty well mannered and not hooligans or criminals, just under the influence) travelled in a pretty much empty first class coach. Some had tickets for first. And now, shock horror, they used swear words. Hardly a major crime. From what we saw on TV they were hardly constantly swearing or insulting/hassling other passengers. They just happened to use a couple of swear words. Is say it shows more about the woman who complained that they had sworn even though she probably didn't know for sure if they had or had not got first class tickets.

They were in the quiet coach as well I think.

 

[bicbasher]

They were in the quiet coach as well I think.

From what I recall, Jodie mentioned there were two full fare passengers in the quiet coach alongside the rowdy lads.

I can also understand her reason not to attempt to charge those lads the upgrade fare when she's a lone female without support from the RPI's or BTP.

 

[VauxhallandI]

They were in the quiet coach as well I think.

Exactly. So if the couple who had paid had to move they would have had to move to the non-quiet carriage.

Move the noisy ones to another 1st class carriage as a compromise? If they were not that bad then they would have moved?

 

[nomis1066]

Fly on the wall documentaries are notorious for people playing up to the camera, the film makers obviously look for such people and so much is stage managed. I watched that series that was on back in the summer and found much of it boring with the odd exception.

 

[RPI]

I see RPI'S being mentioned to deal with this type of thing, remember that RPI'S are not there to deal with anti social behaviour, we are not security guards!

 

[Flamingo]

Well, I thought the RPI's in last nights episode (including the one with the non-speaking part) were excellent - and (as they all are), remarkably handsome :lol

I see RPI'S being mentioned to deal with this type of thing, remember that RPI'S are not there to deal with anti social behaviour, we are not security guards!

I think the thing with individuals and groups is that RPI's do have more time, and more options, (PF, MG11, getting off at the next stop with the passenger) than the Guard has. I know from bitter experience that when spending time dealing with a group like this that one is worrying about what is happening in the other seven carriages - the Guard is responsible for the whole train, the RPI has the luxury of being able to concentrate on the job in hand.

 

[dk1]

Jodie can do no wrong. She is so lovely

 

[bicbasher]

I see RPI'S being mentioned to deal with this type of thing, remember that RPI'S are not there to deal with anti social behaviour, we are not security guards!

In my previous post, I mentioned Jodie's issue with charging those passengers the upgrade which appeared to be more of an issue for her, rather than telling the passengers to quieten down which she attempted to resolve.

As for the RPI featured, I thought he was reasonable to the parent who forget her F&F railcard.

 

[dk1]

In my previous post, I mentioned Jodie's issue with charging those passengers the upgrade which appeared to be more of an issue for her, rather than telling the passengers to quieten down which she attempted to resolve.

Could that just be the editing department?

 

[tony6499]

As she was being filmed I dare say there was a film crew with her so she was not on her own so she could quite have easily enforced the rules without danger to herself this time and I hope the people in the first class QUIET coach were compensated for her not doing the job she was paid to do.

What is the point in having the quiet coach if you let drunks run amok in them ? Unless of course it was a staged situation for TV and as soon as they stopped filming they disappeared then that is different.

 

[Ploughman]

Wasn't this run or a very similar run shown earlier in the series?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

As she was being filmed I dare say there was a film crew with her so she was not on her own so she could quite have easily enforced the rules without danger to herself this time and I hope the people in the first class QUIET coach were compensated for her not doing the job she was paid to do.

Having a film crew there does nothing to improve your personal safety. It can, in fact, aggravate the situation.

 

[bairy]

As she was being filmed I dare say there was a film crew with her so she was not on her own so she could quite have easily enforced the rules without danger to herself this time

I wouldn't say she was safe in that situation. Watch any cop show and you'll see that some people won't let a tv camera stop them being violent. I don't really blame her for the way she handled this whole thing.

What an overreaction. A few drunks (seemed pretty well mannered and not hooligans or criminals, just under the influence) travelled in a pretty much empty first class coach. Some had tickets for first. And now, shock horror, they used swear words. Hardly a major crime. From what we saw on TV they were hardly constantly swearing or insulting/hassling other passengers. They just happened to use a couple of swear words. Is say it shows more about the woman who complained that they had sworn even though she probably didn't know for sure if they had or had not got first class tickets.

A bunch of drunk loud sweary guys sat in a first class quiet area, some of whom hadn't paid to be there.

Okay so they apparently weren't harassing other passengers but that doesn't mean they weren't being disturbing or disruptive, and what makes it worse is they picked the quiet carriage, so hey screw you if you fancied peace for work or sleep.

Why should the other passengers who either paid up to £38 or up to £187 have to pick up their stuff and move around the train just to avoid some inconsiderate idiots who thought they were the only people in the world?

One of them said to Jodie that his ticket was "down my pants". So now we have a bit of harassment, and anti social behaviour. Being drunk doesn't excuse them. If they can't show common decency then they shouldn't drink. And if they can control themselves and chose to act that way then that's even worse.

 

[ainsworth74]

Wasn't this run or a very similar run shown earlier in the series?

That was the 2000 2045 to Swansea that was shown previously.

 

[bicbasher]

Wasn't this run or a very similar run shown earlier in the series?

The previous episode showed Jodie's Saturday late night Paddington to Swansea run, this time they showed her Friday shift, which was Swansea to Paddington in the afternoon and the return which was Pad to Cardiff Central.

 

[jon0844]

I guess these guys couldn't have caused too much fuss, as they clearly agreed to be featured and signed the necessary releases.

Or else they were told of the filming before they boarded and agreed then.

 

[1e10]

Another good show, with lots of variety, in the material as well as the continuity again (!)
Interesting to see some maintenance work in the form of the bogie change, would like to see more like this.

I had no idea they were replaced so often, the guy mentioned every 40,000 miles.

I guess these guys couldn't have caused too much fuss, as they clearly agreed to be featured and signed the necessary releases.

Or else they were told of the filming before they boarded and agreed then.

Are releases required in the UK?

 

[bicbasher]

Are releases required in the UK?

It's common practice, consent forms are even given to audience members on a live chat show such as The Wright Stuff.

 

[Rich McLean]

At Plymouth Station while they were filming, there were posters up advising passengers of the filming, and advised if you didn't wish to be filmed, to speak to a member of staff

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Generally in documentaries like this, releases are only used if someone is a substantive part of the documentary. Otherwise, warning signs about filming suffice.

 

[455driver]

I guess these guys couldn't have caused too much fuss, as they clearly agreed to be featured and signed the necessary releases.

Or else they were told of the filming before they boarded and agreed then.

Nobody agreed to anything, there were posters up saying that if you didnt want to feature to speak to them but that was it.

Other than that they just stuck a camera in your face and started filming, fortunately you were saved the 'pleasure' of watching me snoring.

 

[Flamingo]

The previous episode showed Jodie's Saturday late night Paddington to Swansea run, this time they showed her Friday shift, which was Swansea to Paddington in the afternoon and the return which was Pad to Cardiff Central.

Trains involved in this episode were the 1728 Swa - Pad, (from Pembroke Dock originally), and the 2200 Pad-Cdf on a Saturday in July.

The previous episode was also a Saturday, in May (possibly June), I think, on the 2045 Pad -Swa.

 

[michael769]

I guess these guys couldn't have caused too much fuss, as they clearly agreed to be featured and signed the necessary releases.

Or else they were told of the filming before they boarded and agreed then.

A train is a public place so no consent or release is required provided the owners (FGW) have given their consent.

 

[jon0844]

I saw the posters at King's Cross for filming but assumed they'd get releases for those on the trains themselves.

 

[TEW]

In one of the clips you could see one of their signs advising that they were filming which had been put up in the vestibule on the HST.

 

[jon0844]

Didn't spot them, but I guess that would suffice.

Of course we know from the recent BBC series (Route Masters) that they had to pull and edit at least one, maybe two, episodes after I guess some people featured complained.

A release form would prevent that for anyone filmed close up (as against footage of people walking around, who are unlikely to notice let alone ask to be removed).

 

[cslusarc]

The previous episode showed Jodie's Saturday late night Paddington to Swansea run, this time they showed her Friday shift, which was Swansea to Paddington in the afternoon and the return which was Pad to Cardiff Central.

So does Jodie "deadhead" back to Swansea (on another train) after terminating at Cardiff Central? Or does she "overnight" in Cardiff on the company's dime?